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    If this mission would have gone wrong. Our President would have never lived it down. Fox, Rush, Beck, Trump would all have had plenty to say and would have blamed him for the whole thing. I mean really who are we kidding? He is the leader, the President, the head honcho. The big gun, the man in charge.
    Those right wing blow hards can hardly give him credit now.
    When Carter back in 1980 sent helicopters to rescue to the US hostages from the US embassey in Iran they failed. (Below is the story.) It cost Jimmy Carter the election and he never recovered the respect of the American people.
    As far as what we are being told. We are being told just enough to hopefully shut that fool Trump up.

    The Iran hostage crisis was a diplomatic crisis between Iran and the United States. Fifty-two US citizens were held hostage for 444 days from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981, after a group of Islamic students and militants took over the Embassy of the United States in support of the Iranian Revolution.[1]
    Sixty-six Americans were taken captive when Iranian militants seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran on November 4, 1979, including three who were at the Iranian Foreign Ministry. Six more Americans escaped and of the 66 who were taken hostage, 13 were released on November 19 and 20, 1979; one was released on July 11, 1980. The remaining 52 were released on January 20, 1981, at the very moment that Ronald Reagan had completed his inaugural address after having been sworn in as President of the United States to replace Jimmy Carter.[2]
    The episode reached a climax when, after failed attempts to negotiate a release, the United States military attempted a rescue operation, Operation Eagle Claw, on April 24, 1980, which resulted in a failed mission, the destruction of two aircraft and the deaths of eight American servicemen and one Iranian civilian. It ended with the signing of the Algiers Accords in Algeria on January 19, 1981. The hostages were formally released into United States custody the following day, just minutes after the new American president Ronald Reagan was sworn in.
    The crisis has been described as an entanglement of "vengeance and mutual incomprehension".[3] In Iran, despite freezing of all Iranian assets held in the United States (Executive Order 12170), the hostage taking was widely seen as a blow against the U.S, and its influence in Iran, its perceived attempts to undermine the Iranian Revolution, and its long-standing support of the recently overthrown government of the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. The Shah had been restored to power in a 1953 coup against a democratically-elected nationalist Iranian government that had been attempting to unconstitutionally remove the Shah. The coup was organized by the CIA and MI6 at the American embassy.[4] At the time of hostage-taking, the Shah had recently been allowed into the United States for medical treatment. In the United States, the hostage-taking was seen as an outrage violating a centuries-old principle of international law granting diplomats immunity from arrest and diplomatic compounds sovereignty in their embassies.[5]
    The crisis has also been described as the "pivotal episode" in the history of Iran – United States relations.[6] In the U.S., some political analysts believe the crisis was a major reason for U.S. President Jimmy Carter's defeat in the November 1980 presidential election.[7] In Iran, the crisis strengthened the prestige of the Ayatollah Khomeini and the political power of those who supported theocracy and opposed any normalization of relations with the West.[8] The crisis also marked the beginning of U.S. legal action, or economic sanctions against Iran, that further weakened economic ties between Iran and the United

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    There's no comparison between Desert One and the raid to kill UBL. Pres. Carter took heat for Desert one in large part because the mission was almost a planned failure from the start, but he had to look like he was doing something, after failing to do anything to get the situation under control.

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    How about just excepting the true facts and giving our President and his team, including our brave soldiers credit for a job well done?
    Bush had his chance and he didn't get him.
    How about being fair? How about turning off Fox news long enough to get the facts?
    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    There's no comparison between Desert One and the raid to kill UBL. Pres. Carter took heat for Desert one in large part because the mission was almost a planned failure from the start, but he had to look like he was doing something, after failing to do anything to get the situation under control.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marigold2 View Post
    How about just excepting the true facts and giving our President and his team, including our brave soldiers credit for a job well done?
    Bush had his chance and he didn't get him.
    How about being fair? How about turning off Fox news long enough to get the facts?
    Methinks thou needs to be a touch more careful with your overly broad brush.

    There are many news sources bookmarked on this computer, none of them are Fox news.

    The sailors who completed the mission deserve their secrecy (the spec ops community lives and DIES by secrecy), and that has unfortunately been blown by the bungling of the executive branch.

    The intel weenies who worked on the technical means of intelligence deserve credit, and should be able to use their means again, but that means has now been blown, as it has been announced to the world how the mission was accomplished. Al Quaeda won't make those same mistakes again, so they have to develop new means to track intel.

    There was no need to announce what other intelligence was gathered at the site.

    As to the comment about the former President, I don't recall saying anything about him or his administration. Are you still that hung up on the former President that you think every criticism of President Obama is a defense of President Bush?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marigold2 View Post
    Bush had his chance and he didn't get him.
    Nah uh. Bush had nothing to do with "not getting him". Bush was constantly on the back of the CIA to bring home the bacon, right up until his term finished. The CIA never came good at that time.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Marigold2 View Post
    Bush had his chance and he didn't get him.
    Bush didnt have a chance, he was out of office while they where still gathering intel. Bush also would not have taken credit for a successful operation and would have kept the specifics from the public for the safety of the military members and their families.

    Obama is putting his ego ahead of the safety of others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blue View Post
    Bush didnt have a chance, he was out of office while they where still gathering intel. Bush also would not have taken credit for a successful operation and would have kept the specifics from the public for the safety of the military members and their families.
    You're kidding, right? Mr. Mission Accomplished televised from an aircraft carrier? He "took credit" for finishing a war that still isn't even finished today!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    You're kidding, right? Mr. Mission Accomplished televised from an aircraft carrier? He "took credit" for finishing a war that still isn't even finished today!
    No Im not kidding. Bush didnt take credit for anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    You're kidding, right? Mr. Mission Accomplished televised from an aircraft carrier? He "took credit" for finishing a war that still isn't even finished today!
    The "Mission Accomplished" banner had nothing to do with claiming that the war in Iraq was over. It was stating that major ground combat had ended with the removal of Saddam Hussein's government from power.

    Trust me, we were still training troops at the time, and the emphasis in training was shifting from conventional to unconventional warfare.

    Was the banner a mistake? Probably, but the Abraham Lincoln's mission had, in fact, been accomplished.

    I really have no cares one way or another whether President Obama "takes credit" for the actions of the military or not. What I care about is the horrendous breaches in operational security which have occurred at the hands of politicians rushing to make political hay out of the operation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    I really have no cares one way or another whether President Obama "takes credit" for the actions of the military or not. What I care about is the horrendous breaches in operational security which have occurred at the hands of politicians rushing to make political hay out of the operation.
    Yeah, but sadly, I think that's another impact of the current 24/7 news hype cycle. Anything happens and it is discussed in minute detail ad nauseum - consequences be darned. I, for one, could do without most of what comes out of the major news stations, and the obsessive nature of talk radio and TV hosts. This is fed by politicians believing that any press mention means votes, and makes many telegenic "sound bite" generators much more famous than they have any right to be.
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