Osama bin Laden is dead

[caseysmom]

The President cannot cut their pay, he has no Constitutional authority to do so.

Military pay is a budget item, which is firmly in Congress's court. Besides, the whole budget issue was a tempest in a teacup, been there once the last time the children couldn't decide.

The idiocy about the budget is the fault of both parties, as Congress should have had a FY 2011 budget done before the last elections, but didn't want to accomplish their most basic function.

Don't confuse us with the facts! Obviously some folks want to blame Obama whether its justified or not.

[Marigold2]

If this mission would have gone wrong. Our President would have never lived it down. Fox, Rush, Beck, Trump would all have had plenty to say and would have blamed him for the whole thing. I mean really who are we kidding? He is the leader, the President, the head honcho. The big gun, the man in charge.
Those right wing blow hards can hardly give him credit now.
When Carter back in 1980 sent helicopters to rescue to the US hostages from the US embassey in Iran they failed. (Below is the story.) It cost Jimmy Carter the election and he never recovered the respect of the American people.
As far as what we are being told. We are being told just enough to hopefully shut that fool Trump up.

The Iran hostage crisis was a diplomatic crisis between Iran and the United States. Fifty-two US citizens were held hostage for 444 days from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981, after a group of Islamic students and militants took over the Embassy of the United States in support of the Iranian Revolution.[1]
Sixty-six Americans were taken captive when Iranian militants seized the U.S. Embassy in Tehran on November 4, 1979, including three who were at the Iranian Foreign Ministry. Six more Americans escaped and of the 66 who were taken hostage, 13 were released on November 19 and 20, 1979; one was released on July 11, 1980. The remaining 52 were released on January 20, 1981, at the very moment that Ronald Reagan had completed his inaugural address after having been sworn in as President of the United States to replace Jimmy Carter.[2]
The episode reached a climax when, after failed attempts to negotiate a release, the United States military attempted a rescue operation, Operation Eagle Claw, on April 24, 1980, which resulted in a failed mission, the destruction of two aircraft and the deaths of eight American servicemen and one Iranian civilian. It ended with the signing of the Algiers Accords in Algeria on January 19, 1981. The hostages were formally released into United States custody the following day, just minutes after the new American president Ronald Reagan was sworn in.
The crisis has been described as an entanglement of "vengeance and mutual incomprehension".[3] In Iran, despite freezing of all Iranian assets held in the United States (Executive Order 12170), the hostage taking was widely seen as a blow against the U.S, and its influence in Iran, its perceived attempts to undermine the Iranian Revolution, and its long-standing support of the recently overthrown government of the Shah of Iran, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. The Shah had been restored to power in a 1953 coup against a democratically-elected nationalist Iranian government that had been attempting to unconstitutionally remove the Shah. The coup was organized by the CIA and MI6 at the American embassy.[4] At the time of hostage-taking, the Shah had recently been allowed into the United States for medical treatment. In the United States, the hostage-taking was seen as an outrage violating a centuries-old principle of international law granting diplomats immunity from arrest and diplomatic compounds sovereignty in their embassies.[5]
The crisis has also been described as the "pivotal episode" in the history of Iran – United States relations.[6] In the U.S., some political analysts believe the crisis was a major reason for U.S. President Jimmy Carter's defeat in the November 1980 presidential election.[7] In Iran, the crisis strengthened the prestige of the Ayatollah Khomeini and the political power of those who supported theocracy and opposed any normalization of relations with the West.[8] The crisis also marked the beginning of U.S. legal action, or economic sanctions against Iran, that further weakened economic ties between Iran and the United

[Lady's Human]

There's no comparison between Desert One and the raid to kill UBL. Pres. Carter took heat for Desert one in large part because the mission was almost a planned failure from the start, but he had to look like he was doing something, after failing to do anything to get the situation under control.

[Marigold2]

How about just excepting the true facts and giving our President and his team, including our brave soldiers credit for a job well done?
Bush had his chance and he didn't get him.
How about being fair? How about turning off Fox news long enough to get the facts?

There's no comparison between Desert One and the raid to kill UBL. Pres. Carter took heat for Desert one in large part because the mission was almost a planned failure from the start, but he had to look like he was doing something, after failing to do anything to get the situation under control.

[Lady's Human]

How about just excepting the true facts and giving our President and his team, including our brave soldiers credit for a job well done?
Bush had his chance and he didn't get him.
How about being fair? How about turning off Fox news long enough to get the facts?

Methinks thou needs to be a touch more careful with your overly broad brush.

There are many news sources bookmarked on this computer, none of them are Fox news.

The sailors who completed the mission deserve their secrecy (the spec ops community lives and DIES by secrecy), and that has unfortunately been blown by the bungling of the executive branch.

The intel weenies who worked on the technical means of intelligence deserve credit, and should be able to use their means again, but that means has now been blown, as it has been announced to the world how the mission was accomplished. Al Quaeda won't make those same mistakes again, so they have to develop new means to track intel.

There was no need to announce what other intelligence was gathered at the site.

As to the comment about the former President, I don't recall saying anything about him or his administration. Are you still that hung up on the former President that you think every criticism of President Obama is a defense of President Bush?

[wombat2u2004]

Bush had his chance and he didn't get him.

Nah uh. Bush had nothing to do with "not getting him". Bush was constantly on the back of the CIA to bring home the bacon, right up until his term finished. The CIA never came good at that time.

[blue]

Bush had his chance and he didn't get him.

Bush didnt have a chance, he was out of office while they where still gathering intel. Bush also would not have taken credit for a successful operation and would have kept the specifics from the public for the safety of the military members and their families.

Obama is putting his ego ahead of the safety of others.

[Karen]

Bush didnt have a chance, he was out of office while they where still gathering intel. Bush also would not have taken credit for a successful operation and would have kept the specifics from the public for the safety of the military members and their families.

You're kidding, right? Mr. Mission Accomplished televised from an aircraft carrier? He "took credit" for finishing a war that still isn't even finished today!

[blue]

You're kidding, right? Mr. Mission Accomplished televised from an aircraft carrier? He "took credit" for finishing a war that still isn't even finished today!

No Im not kidding. Bush didnt take credit for anything.

[Lady's Human]

You're kidding, right? Mr. Mission Accomplished televised from an aircraft carrier? He "took credit" for finishing a war that still isn't even finished today!

The "Mission Accomplished" banner had nothing to do with claiming that the war in Iraq was over. It was stating that major ground combat had ended with the removal of Saddam Hussein's government from power.

Trust me, we were still training troops at the time, and the emphasis in training was shifting from conventional to unconventional warfare.

Was the banner a mistake? Probably, but the Abraham Lincoln's mission had, in fact, been accomplished.

I really have no cares one way or another whether President Obama "takes credit" for the actions of the military or not. What I care about is the horrendous breaches in operational security which have occurred at the hands of politicians rushing to make political hay out of the operation.

[dab_20]

Don't confuse us with the facts! Obviously some folks want to blame Obama whether its justified or not.

I agree. I'm not saying I'm a fan of Obama, but I don't not like him either. I'm just not educated enough about him to say whether or not I support him.

However, I think much of our country says they don't like Obama simply because everyone else says it, for everyone else's reasoning. People tend to forget we are not a dictatorship, the president doesn't control EVERYTHING. So he is not to blame for EVERYTHING. If you have a problem with the way our government is run, maybe you should look at the other majority that runs our country- congress.

Seriously, everyone is going to hate whatever president we have until things get better. If you don't like him for a solidified reason, then that is fine. But don't go and say you don't like him simply because that's what everyone else does.
(and this isn't to anyone specific on PT, I'm just tired of hearing it at school and no one can give me real facts for why they don't like the president)

[lizbud]

It has been decided not to release the pictures of Osama's body.
I am so glad. I think this is a wise decision. As Obama said, "no good
would come of it".

[pomtzu]

It has been decided not to release the pictures of Osama's body.
I am so glad. I think this is a wise decision. As Obama said, "no good
would come of it".

I didn't think for a minute, that he would. What would be the purpose?? The people that want to see them as proof, would still say that they aren't authentic. Kind of like all of those that think that 9/11 was a conspiracy and in spite of pictures, try to prove that the facts are fictitious.

[cassiesmom]

It has been decided not to release the pictures of Osama's body.
I am so glad. I think this is a wise decision. As Obama said, "no good
would come of it".

I think this is a wise decision, too. Potentially more harm might have come from it.

Saying he was killed earlier, US has his body and has done DNA testing.
Wonder what we had to compare to for that test?

I heard on news radio that bin Laden's sister had been treated for cancer in the U.S. and the government was able to get a sample of her brain tissue for DNA comparison.

[Bonny]

Growing up with the threat of Communism & Nikita Kruschev threatening to bury us was a very real thing back in the 1950's & 1960's with the cold war is what they called it. If was a relief when the Berlin Wall finally fell. That is what I got to grow up with at the time the threat of Nuclear bombs & the threat of Nuclear War.

I can see why youth & adults celebrated the death of bin laden. It is a weight off of their shoulders. A good 23 years of al Qaeda terrorizing the world has been enough.