for other Atheists out there

[NoahsMommy]

I know this is cliche, but I hate to think that I ever evolved from some gross monkey/ape.....

If we evolved from apes, how come we still have apes?

I know its a total cliche....but I just really don't like monkeys, they creep me out.

BTW, I love the telemarketer ideas! You can also put THEM on hold until the operator breaks in with that recording. With you not hanging up, they can't call out on that line!!

Just tell them to hold....and go eat dinner.

[mugsy]

We did not evolve from apes. We are on the same evolutionary line as apes. NOT monkeys. That's why we still have apes. And if you look at the Bible and the geologic time scale there are direct links...just lots bigger time differences.

As far as teaching both creationism and evolution in public schools, it isn't going to happen. We have a thing called separation of church and state in this country so we don't teach creationism. I'm very glad of that too since I don't believe it and would have a hard time being objective.

And, I'm going to use some of those lines on solicitors from now on. My frustration is that our solictors hang up when you run to the phone to get it. God I HATE that!! I'm to the point now that when "unavailble" with no number shows up on caller id I just don't answer it. Gotta love that caller id!!

[kohala]

Originally posted by mugsy
We did not evolve from apes. We are on the same evolutionary line as apes. NOT monkeys. That's why we still have apes. And if you look at the Bible and the geologic time scale there are direct links...just lots bigger time differences.

As far as teaching both creationism and evolution in public schools, it isn't going to happen. We have a thing called separation of church and state in this country so we don't teach creationism. I'm very glad of that too since I don't believe it and would have a hard time being objective.

And, I'm going to use some of those lines on solicitors from now on. My frustration is that our solictors hang up when you run to the phone to get it. God I HATE that!! I'm to the point now that when "unavailble" with no number shows up on caller id I just don't answer it. Gotta love that caller id!!

I just had a marvelous oportunity to "try a line" on a telemarketer. We DO use our caller ID, and it is getting tiresome to have sooo many "Unknown Number" IDs show up, that I decided to answer this one. Having terminally ill family members and not appreciating the interuptions when yhou're waiting for the doctor works, too. BTW, that's actually a fact, as Dadcat's dad is aging and failing and has been moved up to Northern Cal. Every time that phone rings, we jump a little, and the "Unknown Numbers" are a royal pain in the A**!!!

[mugsy]

Oh Ko,

I'm sorry to hear about Dadcat's dad. I'll add him to my list!! I'll bet it's tough being that far away from him.

[kohala]

Originally posted by mugsy
Oh Ko,

I'm sorry to hear about Dadcat's dad. I'll add him to my list!! I'll bet it's tough being that far away from him.

Thanks, Mugs - you really do "walk it"!!!!
After staying here 15 years to be near them against his preferences, it's been hard on him to have Pop suddenly whisked away by older siblings that weren't around much. (His mom passed two years ago.) His siblings aren't being the most gracious, either. Sigh.
My best friend went through four years of hell with her sisters and brother when her mom died, and used to always tell me, be glad you're an only child. I hate to say it but families aren't always all that us only kids idealize them to be.

[zippy-kat]

Originally posted by Slave of 15 Dogs
Ok...Why is it important for members of LDS trace their genealogy?

AmberLee is a big genealogy fan -- you might ask her this question if Amy (Wolf_Q) doesn't know!

[NoahsMommy]

Originally posted by mugsy
We did not evolve from apes. We are on the same evolutionary line as apes. NOT monkeys. That's why we still have apes. And if you look at the Bible and the geologic time scale there are direct links...just lots bigger time differences.

As far as teaching both creationism and evolution in public schools, it isn't going to happen. We have a thing called separation of church and state in this country so we don't teach creationism. I'm very glad of that too since I don't believe it and would have a hard time being objective.

Oh, I was just kidding about the whole monkey/ape thing...I hear it so much these days. The whole thought, true or not....doesn't appeal to me at all. Ick.

I've always gone to a public school and in a 9th grade History class, learned about Evolution vs. Creationism...it was in our books, in the first chapter I think. It was very basic, it told of the difference, similarities and other beliefs. It allowed you to not be offended either way.

[NoahsMommy]

While we are on the subject of evolution....I've wanted to ask this forever....

I have a "Christian Fish" on my car. It prefesses my faith. I've always wondered what the reason was for the "Darwin Fish" on cars...any ideas?

I know the answer may be as easy as "it is what they believe". But as a religious person, God is my passion, my life. That is what it represents to me. "I want to shout it from the Mtn. tops!"

Now....what is the reasoning for the "Darwin Fish"?

[Uabassoon]

[IMG]If we all evolved, why isn't anything evolving now? It doesn't make sense.[/IMG]

Animals are still evolving, they just don't evolve quickly so we can't see it on a day to day basis. We may not even be able to see a species evolve in our life time. For example the finches on the galapagos island are a great example of evolution. Their beaks have evolved in order to fit their environment and help them to survive. If a finch is born with a longer beak which enables it to find more food then it will survive and carry on it's genes to future generation in which the whole species living on that island to evolve to have longer beaks. If you need clarification on that you can look up finches on the galapogos island, there's lots of information on that. Now while I do belive in evolution that DOES NOT mean that I don't belive in creationism. I think both can go hand in hand. So many people think that you have to belive one or the other, but I think both are correct. I do belive that God made earth and all of it's creatures. But I also belive that these creatures were able to evolve over time. I belive that God made great creatures and that he does have control over these creatures, but who's to say he didn't want these animals to evolve and to change. And humans to an extent are still evolving, it could be partially to medical purposes. But people are taller now then they were 100 years ago, that could be considered evolution.

[Sara luvs her Tinky]

Yeah Uabossoon... I agree with you but I consider that adaptation... which is evolution.. but there is no way humans or the Earth evolved from the big bang... which is what I am referring to... check out that website www.creationevidence.org it is really neat and I learned a lot from it.

[Twisterdog]

My sister has a Darwin fish on her car. She does because she believes in evolution, and does not believe in creationism. The Darwin fish is a tongue-in-cheek slam on Christian creationists. It's really meant to be humorous, in a mean sort of way, I suppose. It's meant to show how ludicrous evolutionists feel creationism is.

Personally, I think evolution is really hard to argue with, logically. The facts, theory, evidence ... whatever you want to call it ... it pretty much right there, in your face, every time you look at a living creature, including man. If humans today were exactly the same, phyiscally, mentally and emotionally, as they always have been since their appearance on this planet, we would still be living in caves, hunting with arrowheads and dying before the age of 30. Of course we have evolved.

However ..... having said that, let me now say, that I DO believe in God (or some higher power, whatever you choose to call him/her) and I do believe the world was created by divine power. Hyprocracy? Nope, I don't think so. I believe that God created the world, and the method in which he chose to create it was evolution. Maybe God did create the world in six days ... but I believe it was six of God's days, not man's days. One of God's days might equal ten million of our years.

[mugsy]

OH YEAH!!! Someone else who believes what I believe!!! Twisterdog...I owe you!

I believe that God created the Big Bang and created the correct circumstances for that lightning bolt to hit the ocean just right to create the first protein from which all else on the Earth descended. I think he guided it the way that he saw fit. I think he creates the mutations needed to keep a species going or perhaps the mutation to cause a new species over time. Like the squirrels at the Grand Canyon. I also do not believe that God's "day" was a 24 hour day. Who knows how long it was. There is evidence that the length of the day has varied over the course of time also.

I WANT A DARWIN FISH!! Mike and I have been looking for them here in Fort Wayne and can't find them. I want it only to show that I am an evolutionist.

[Karen]

Originally posted by zippy-kat


AmberLee is a big genealogy fan -- you might ask her this question if Amy (Wolf_Q) doesn't know!

Actually, I have been told it's so they can pray for the Salvation of their ancestors. So you have to know who they are to save them! (Mom's cousin is a Mormon, but the whole of that side of my family is very big on history/geneology.

[Cincy'sMom]

Originally posted by mugsy
OH YEAH!!! Someone else who believes what I believe!!! Twisterdog...I owe you!

I believe that God created the Big Bang and created the correct circumstances for that lightning bolt to hit the ocean just right to create the first protein from which all else on the Earth descended. I think he guided it the way that he saw fit. I think he creates the mutations needed to keep a species going or perhaps the mutation to cause a new species over time. Like the squirrels at the Grand Canyon. I also do not believe that God's "day" was a 24 hour day. Who knows how long it was. There is evidence that the length of the day has varied over the course of time also.

I've tried to suggest this idea to people before...both strong creationists and strong evolutionists...it was never very well received. Why can't it be a combination? Why couldn't things have been set in motion by God and then evolve over time? Maybe it is just what I want to believe becuase I am Christian and a scientist

And as for the the day thing, when I tried to pose that suggestion, I was told that since Sun and Moon had been created it had to be a 24 hr peroid. I didn't really follow that theory, but, hey, to each his own I guess.

[Uabassoon]

[IMG]Maybe God did create the world in six days ... but I believe it was six of God's days, not man's days. One of God's days might equal ten million of our years.[/IMG]

Twisterdog you have someone else here who agrees with you. That's exactly what I think, I've also tried to bring that up to people but they look at me like I'm not making any sense.