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    Thanks, Alyssa. Don't go out of your way to find it. lol

    Freedom, thanks that helps! BTW I couldn't believe some of the stuff they have in their website! Sounds uneducated to me. Anyways, it helps to look up the laws, so thank you!

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    Sooo... I am supposed to find 5 articles for an against BSL. I've found PLENTY against BSL, but I can't find any reliable websites that are pro BSL! I mean, you can't make a good argument unless you know both sides of it. The few websites I've found sound like a thirteen year old wrote it.

    Anyone know of any good website or even books that are pro BSL?

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    Just as a starting place, this is from Wiki Pedia, quoting a court:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breed-specific_legislation

    Vanater v. Village of South Point
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    The court made the following findings of fact when it determined the village showed that pit bull terriers are uniquely dangerous and therefore, are proper subjects of the village's police power for the protection of the public's health and welfare:

    * Pit Bulls ... possess the quality of gameness, which is not a totally clear concept, but which can be described as the propensity to catch and maul an attacked victim unrelentingly until death occurs, or as the continuing tenacity and tendency to attack repeatedly for the purpose of killing. It is clear that the unquantifiable, unpredictable aggressiveness and gameness of Pit Bulls make them uniquely dangerous.
    * Pit Bulls have the following distinctive behavioral characteristics: a) grasping strength, b) climbing and hanging ability, c) weight pulling ability, d) a history of frenzy, which is the trait of unusual relentless ferocity or the extreme concentration on fighting and attacking, e) a history of catching, fighting, and killing instinct, f) the ability to be extremely destructive and aggressive, g) highly tolerant of pain, h) great biting strength, i) undying tenacity and courage and they are highly unpredictable.
    * While these traits, tendencies or abilities are not unique to Pit Bulls exclusively, Pit Bulls will have these instincts and phenotypical characteristics; most significantly, such characteristics can be latent and may appear without warning or provocation.
    * The breeding history of Pit Bulls makes it impossible to rule out a violent propensity for any one dog as gameness and aggressiveness can be hidden for years. Given the Pit Bull's genetical physical strengths and abilities, a Pit Bull always poses the possibility of danger; given the Pit Bull's breeding history as a fighting dog and the latency of its aggressiveness and gameness, the Pit Bull poses a danger distinct from other breeds of dogs which do not so uniformly share those traits.
    * While Pit Bulls are not the only breed of dog which can be dangerous or vicious, it is reasonable to single out the breed to anticipate and avoid the dangerous aggressiveness which may be undetectable in a Pit Bull.[56]
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    Here is the footnote, this is the proper way to cite a legal case:

    56. ^ "Vanater v. Village of South Point, 717 F. Supp. 1236 (D. Ohio 1989)". Michigan State University College of Law. http://www.animallaw.info/cases/caus717fsupp1236.htm. Retrieved 2009-06-30.

    Still looking.
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    Starting point for the arguments FOR BSL:
    http://www.lkwdpl.org/thinkingcity/breeds.html

    Some places to check:
    http://www.lovedoesnotdiscriminate.c...groups_su.html

    I find this interesting, because indicates you are not going to find a responsible institutional article in support of BSL. It is going to be individuals, not a vet, medical group, animal welfare group, who writes the article. Finding the articles in support is going to be more difficult. Finding the arguments USED by those in support is going to be a bit easier to find.

    http://wonderbull.com/blog/archives/...ta-support-bsl

    I don't know if you would want to register to see discussions in this forum:
    http://www.experienceproject.com/gro...ort-Bsl/117629
    Can you be a 'lurker,' without having the emotions cause you to post? It is possible that one or 2 posters actually cite something in support of their position, and that is what you would be scanning for.

    The CDC study mentioned in one or 2 of the places above seems to be a key factor in SUPPORT of BSL. That is what Nationwide Insurance has used to develop its 'blacklist' of breeds.

    BTW, maybe you already learned this: if you use BSL in your Google search, you get a lot of cites for British Sign Language!
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    With so many dogs in pounds why would any one breed more pitbulls? My sister has one and it is a doll, but now with certain towns being against them why breed unwanted animals that cannot be placed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marigold2 View Post
    With so many dogs in pounds why would any one breed more pitbulls? My sister has one and it is a doll, but now with certain towns being against them why breed unwanted animals that cannot be placed?
    Because someone might have a deep passion for this breed and want to continue to breed outstanding lines to ensure the breed continues into the future and is remember for what it truely should be remember as and not for what some cruel people turned it into.

    I would hate to think how I would feel if people suddenly decided they hated the GSD because of stigmas created by man, and then stop breeding them all together. My family would never be complete with out a German Shedder in the house.

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    I think BSL is a bad idea. BUT...my first Google link that come up has dog bite stats, and unfortunately bully breeds don't come out to well. http://www.dogbitelaw.com/PAGES/statistics.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by nicolelj View Post
    with out a german shedder in the house.

    Well said, lol!
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    I grew up with GS and we breed them. But nowadays there is so much inbreeding. The breeders have changed dogs and cats so much. If you look at the Persian cats from 20 years ago and now their faces have totally changed.
    Both dogs and cats are bred to the point where they have breathing problelms, hip problems etc....
    With millions of animals being put down every year no one needs to breed for show.
    If you breed for police work or for seeing eye dogs or such I can understand that but to breed for show. I think that needs to end now.




    Quote Originally Posted by NicoleLJ View Post
    Because someone might have a deep passion for this breed and want to continue to breed outstanding lines to ensure the breed continues into the future and is remember for what it truely should be remember as and not for what some cruel people turned it into.

    I would hate to think how I would feel if people suddenly decided they hated the GSD because of stigmas created by man, and then stop breeding them all together. My family would never be complete with out a German Shedder in the house.

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    Thanks everyone, you've been a great help! Freedom, those are some good links to start with. Thanks so much.


    Quote Originally Posted by Marigold2 View Post
    With so many dogs in pounds why would any one breed more pitbulls? My sister has one and it is a doll, but now with certain towns being against them why breed unwanted animals that cannot be placed?
    If that is your thinking, why breed any dogs at all until they all find a home? I believe reputable breeders should keep breeding them, breeding well rounded dogs with good temperaments. I think breeding of EVERY dog should be regulated somehow. It will never happen, but it should.

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    I also wrote an anti-BSL paper in high school. I focussed in particular about how miserably the Denver pit bull ban failed. Unfortunately I don't think I have my sources or even my paper anymore but I'm sure you can look it up. Basically there are more (illegally owned) pit bulls in and around Denver than there were before the ban.

    On a side note, I am sooo glad the town I am living in now doesn't appear to have any laws that single out any breed. I'm not sure because I didn't look it up since I don't have a dog here yet. I work in a grooming salon and breed has never been a factor in whether we will turn away or take in a dog.

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