Rex Murphy: Testing America’s tolerance

[lizbud]

I understand that the Amendments are part of the entire Constitution. Why did you need to mention that?


Also the "move" comment was a retorical question. I'm not leaving this country. It is the last stand on Earth for Liberty.

All this being said... I stand by my comments that "separation of church and state" is NOT a founding principle. Freedom to worship as one chooses IS.

Last edited by Puckstop31; Today at 11:54 AM. Reason: Sorry Karen, I was stupidly mean.

I'm glad you finally edited your post. It's never a good idea to poke the bear. Yes, even if you don't get the answers you want to hear.

[lizbud]

Richard,

I agree with you saying..............

" This topic has really nothing to do with religion or church and state.

It has to do with compassion and sensibility.

There are components of both sides that have neither.

As the media and people here have commented...

Would we allow the Japanese to put a Shinto Shrine on the deck of the USS Arizona?

Would the Jews be allowed a synagogue at Auschwitz?

Would we put a McDonalds or Starbucks in Hiroshima or Nagasaki? We probably already have.....

This has to do with respect and not wanting to make YOUR religion/country or politics seem like an uncaring, brutal and just plain mean and nasty import to our country.

The Asshat that wants to build the mosque close to GZ shows no compassion or any of the other common senses that I described, that is the way, not so much of the typical Muslim, but of the AHs refuse to allow modern sensibility or meeting at the middle point of the problem.

I have know muslims that were so patently pious, but did not respect the people or the country (ours) that they live in."



I don't know how much the Islam culture is influenced by it's religion,
but I'd say a lot. In fact, I can't distinquish between their culture and their
religious views. Maybe they are just not a compassionate people in the
Western way of thinking.??

[RICHARD]

I don't know how much the Islam culture is influenced by it's religion,
but I'd say a lot. In fact, I can't distinquish between their culture and their
religious views. Maybe they are just not a compassionate people in the
Western way of thinking.??

The culture and the 'government' are way influenced with the tenets of the religion.

Where else on the planet would the people in charge let a 'court of law' sentence people to be killed with rocks.

Someone posted the line about the people who were doing the rock tossing not use big rocks because it would kill the 'criminals' too quickly.


Like, Who are we to talk?

We make sure a death row criminal will not commit suicide and we use clean needles to put them to death?

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Let's just hope no moron flies a plane into the mosque when it's finished.

[lizbud]

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Let's just hope no moron flies a plane into the mosque when it's finished.

When first reading about the intention to build there, I thought to myself,
how long after it's built will someone wait to blow it up? Not long, I'll bet.

[RICHARD]

Here's my view of the whole thing?

The morons that pulled off 9/11 were looking to send message to the U.S.A.

The week before 9/11 there was a short piece on the tube and in the paper about some Whack Job D Bags who blew up these huge stone "idols" in the Middle East, because they had outlawed the worship of any other god besides allah.

Hokay......THAT makes sense!

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They assasinate a cat name Massoud? Then decide to take a dump in New York and Washington.


And we stood up and said "Let's Roll...."

We rolled, but we measured a response to the group of people that only listen when you knock them down, stand over them, punch them very hard in the kisser then whisper into their ear, "Dude DO NOT MESS WITH ME AGAIN. I will come back and go berserker on your sorry arse. Understand?"

Naw, we just go visit and toss up some rules, very much like the game we played in SE Asia in the 60's. We didn't lose, We just stopped playing.

Had we dealt with the FWs with the same kind of predjudice that 19 guys used on 9/11 or all the times when we have to, and in a sense still do, put up with some scumbags that catch up with a innocent aide worker or innocent bystander and chop THEIR heads off?

We would be the baddest Mama Jammers And Still The Reiging World Champions on the face of the planet.

Noboby be asking to build no mosque or any of that nonsense in my or your 'hood. Seriously, Get the ---- out of here before I slap your stupid head.


We just stand around tolerant, and all the while Three Bin Salad and Joe Bin Momma kinda smirk and think to themselves, "Look at these -------, We wouldn't put up with that ---- back home."

They woke us up and when they saw they cannot win every battle?

The come back to town and try to make us believe that this corrupt idea will promote understanding between the east and west?

I do have a bridge in Brooklyn, cheap....



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We allow this because that's the way were are - tolerant to the point of being vulnerable....Loving the freedom of religion, speech and walking around with our heads up our posteriors.

My mom had a saying for the people she thought were so nice and well meaning that they would fall for any kind of scam....

XXXXX is so nice, that he/she doesn't serve any purpose!

Sometimes I think that of the people who run the country.

They are afraid to comment or act on any info, or haven't the guts to pull aside a soldier who is acting the fool and deter him from shooting up an army base....Nope, instead we are worried about his jack hole getting the paycheck the Army owes him AFTER he goes off his rocker.

Moron.

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No, no faceplant for this kid, the sound you hear is of me banging my head on the door jamb. UGH.

[Bonny]

The culture and the 'government' are way influenced with the tenets of the religion.

Where else on the planet would the people in charge let a 'court of law' sentence people to be killed with rocks.

Someone posted the line about the people who were doing the rock tossing not use big rocks because it would kill the 'criminals' too quickly.


Like, Who are we to talk?

We make sure a death row criminal will not commit suicide and we use clean needles to put them to death?

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Let's just hope no moron flies a plane into the mosque when it's finished.

Geez Richard lets not give anyone any crazy ideas now. Put on a helmet when you bang your head that way you won't hurt it.

[RICHARD]

Geez Richard lets not give anyone any crazy ideas now. Put on a helmet when you bang your head that way you won't hurt it.

Too late.

[RICHARD]

Just saw some interview on the K Olbermann show.

(This dude is pretty funny...)

And I thought about THIS......

You are free to worship any god you want.

BUT, all the 'rules' do not mention anything about zoning laws.

so, draw them up and 'zone' them out.

[lizbud]

The Islamic group behind this idea to build this cultual center say
they wish to promote good will between Americans & the Islamic community.
If they want to do a better job of it, they should change the location.
I think most people would be surprised & impressed by changing the location
instead of just insisting on their "right" to build where they want.


Do they have a constitutional right to build it, yes. Is it a good idea to
forge ahead with their plans, no matter what the people of NY feel about
it? No, it's sure to harm their own stated goals of improving relations &
understanding between Islam & America.