Haw haw

[Puckstop31]

Puck's a DAT.

More accurately, a CDAT.

Dunno if that's military or not.....Hmmmmmmmm.

For the non-military folks...

DAT = Dumb A$$ Tanker

C-DAT = Computerized Dumb A$$ Tanker (M1 series tanks have all kinds of blinky gadgets, laser beams and such....LOL)

We closed with and destroyed enemy forces using a combination of maneuver, firepower and shock effect. A lot of shock effect in my case. Bad guys who only have a rusty AK-47 tend to run away when the Cav shows up.

We're going to have to disagree on this one, Puck. I certainly see your point, however I feel that unless you've worn the uniform on duty, you have no call to be wearing it otherwise. I find it falls under the same heading as impersonating a police officer. As to the free speech aspect, I've got a somewhat narrower view of the First amendment than you do, and I don't think it applies here.

JMHO, of course.

Fair enough. The whole point of how I feel can be summed up thus.

My quote to Wom:

Should a person go to jail for simply saying they are a vet when they are not? NO. Should a person go to jail for committing perjury, by signing a document claiming benefits they are not entitled to? YES.

A guy BSing in a bar about being a soldier is a lot different than lying on a legal document and getting benefits to which they are not entitled.

Now ask me if I would respect a person who lies about being a soldier. Of course not. Do we want to open the can of worms that would be opened by allowing a law enforcement entity to prosecute people for telling untruths when they are under no legal obligation to do so?

Trust me here... I am not simply defending people who lie. Its bigger than that.

[Lady's Human]

Puck, the Stolen Valor Act isn't about guys who lie in bars. It's about people who lie about their military status or experience in a manner which would get them benefits they would not otherwise be entitled to.

It goes well beyond telling a few tall ones over a brew. It's about the AHs who claim VA benefits on the basis of awards they don't have, claim state bennies for the same reasons, use private charities which exist to help vets.

This isn't about a few lies.

[moosmom]

Puck,

Please delete the quote. I give up.

[Puckstop31]

Puck, the Stolen Valor Act isn't about guys who lie in bars. It's about people who lie about their military status or experience in a manner which would get them benefits they would not otherwise be entitled to.

It goes well beyond telling a few tall ones over a brew. It's about the AHs who claim VA benefits on the basis of awards they don't have, claim state bennies for the same reasons, use private charities which exist to help vets.

This isn't about a few lies.

I get it. I think I covered that. If they are lying to get benefits they are not entitled to. Get em.

[RICHARD]

Gollllleeeee!

[Bonny]

LH the queston is for Pucky not for you to answer.

LH I don't give a damn what the military has to say about metals. Everyone should be treated equally in my eyes & my eyes only. That is my opinion not that it will change anything.

[Karen]

LH the queston is for Pucky not for you to answer.

LH I don't give a damn what the military has to say about metals. Everyone should be treated equally in my eyes & my eyes only. That is my opinion not that it will change anything.

Bonny, the medals awarded do mean something - one example is the Purple Heart. If someone has been awarded a Purple Heart, it means he or she has been wounded in the course of duty, and it has to be a combat-related injury. If you simply get frostbite sitting in a tent, you don't get a Purple Heart. If you get shot, hit by shrapnel, etc. you do. The real rules of course are more complicated than that, but that's the "gist" of that one.

I agree that people should be treated equally up to a point, but I do think losing a limb while in combat deserves more respect than shuffling papers in an office in Kansas, no matter how important those papers are.

All who serve deserve our thanks and respect. Some deserve more.

[Lady's Human]

Bonny, YOU may not give a damn what the military has to say about medals, but federal and state laws certainly do.

[Bonny]

Combat in the line duty you get injured shuffling papers in an office when a bomb explodes in Kansas. You aren't up for a purple heart if you get injured then, but if you are in Afghanistan shuffling papers you would receive a purple heart if a bomb explodes & you are injured?

Can I give an example of a bar fight in Saigon during the Viet Nam War between Americans & Australians. The MP on duty gets jabbed with a knife & has to have a butterfly band-aid put on his tiny wound does that mean a purple heart? Should the MP be treated better than the paper pusher who loses an arm, & eye. Is it a political thing with the military?

[Puckstop31]

LH the queston is for Pucky not for you to answer.

LH I don't give a damn what the military has to say about metals. Everyone should be treated equally in my eyes & my eyes only. That is my opinion not that it will change anything.

OK, I will bite.

First, what was said that makes you think, that I think, I am better than anybody else? Please be specific as possible. I honestly want to know. Worse yet, how in the heck to you get that I am trying to be a VICTIM here?

Did you also miss where I said that I, also, want everyone to be treated equally?

[wombat2u2004]

[QUOTE
We closed with and destroyed enemy forces using a combination of maneuver, firepower and shock effect. A lot of shock effect in my case. Bad guys who only have a rusty AK-47 tend to run away when the Cav shows up. [/QUOTE]

Hey Rambo.....spin us some more war'ys.
I love hearing about turkey shoots.

Mmmmmm....tanks and maneuver and shock n' awe and great firepower...you must have had a great time. Sounds like fun arcade stuff to me.

So did you have to put a dime in the slot to make this show work for you ???
Well you know, you did have that RIGHT.

[Puckstop31]

Hey Rambo.....spin us some more war'ys.
I love hearing about turkey shoots.

Mmmmmm....tanks and maneuver and shock n' awe and great firepower...you must have had a great time. Sounds like fun arcade stuff to me.

So did you have to put a dime in the slot to make this show work for you ???
Well you know, you did have that RIGHT.

Certainly, my experince was not that of a soldier who fought the infantry fight in a long protratced war. But am I supposed to apologize for that or something?

And no, it was anything but a good time. I am a little surprised a veteran such as youself would suggest such a thing.