Politics and religion.

[lizbud]

This. IIRC it is accually acceptable to gang rape a woman in Isamic culture if she is dressed in a "sinful" manner.


Where are the womens rights groups when it comes to Islam?

Right where they always are on these issues, working to end this type
of treatment of women.

Some men in America use, the same logic by using the "she was
asking for it" defense.

[Lady's Human]

Right where they always are on these issues, working to end this type
of treatment of women.

Some men in America use, the same logic by using the "she was
asking for it" defense.

The question is simple:

Where is the NOW equivalent of the Dutch cartoon commentary about Islam, or are they too afraid of being the target of a very real threat as opposed to being worried about being told to shut up politically?

[Puckstop31]

The question is simple:

Where is the NOW equivalent of the Dutch cartoon commentary about Islam, or are they too afraid of being the target of a very real threat as opposed to being worried about being told to shut up politically?

"Our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor."

Some belive enough to risk it. Most don't.

[Edwina's Secretary]

The question is simple:

Where is the NOW equivalent of the Dutch cartoon commentary about Islam, or are they too afraid of being the target of a very real threat as opposed to being worried about being told to shut up politically?

Do you mean the DANISH cartoon?

All those Europeans look alike to you?

Can't wait to see you wiggle out of this one....

[Lady's Human]

Very simple, nothing to wiggle out of, I made a mistake.

Go back under your bridge.

[Puckstop31]

Do you mean the DANISH cartoon?

All those Europeans look alike to you?

Can't wait to see you wiggle out of this one....

Now that the error has been corrected... Want to answer the question now?

[blue]

Right where they always are on these issues, working to end this type
of treatment of women.

So other then supporting laws in the United States what are they doing actually in Islamic countries to improve womens rights? A petition in the US isnt doing much for the woman slated to be stoned to death. How many members of the womens rights group you belong to are in Afghanistan working on womens rights?

Some men in America use, the same logic by using the "she was
asking for it" defense.

Bad example and you know it. It is not culturally accepted here and the men who use that defense are almost universally prosecuted for trying to use it.

[Bonny]

Next year I will be able to collect my social security & I am currently working part time being paid & volunterring hours to help the non profit place I work for keep their doors open. I work for mimimum wage when I do get paid. I also work with 3 young teenagers who drive cars & have cell phones & dress nicely. They don't clean toilets, sit on their asses complain over who's turn it is to give the next tour. Just damn down right lazy along with the rest of the children in the USA. They have it all & seem to want more. You know what I think you should all do is get off your fat lazy asses get out there find a job & work. You want it all then earn it.

As far as social security I earned it damn it. Whatever I spend will go back into my community. Lets have some of those Federal & State employees take a pay cut! The fat cats in Washington keep giving themselves raisies while the rest of us are suppose to suck it up. Locally our county attornery along with a bunch of county employees wanted raises while in the mean time our county roads are going to hell.

Another thing this country would not be in the hole if people paid their debts. Living beyond ones means can cause that.

I think we should clean up our own mess here in the good old USA first. As far as the Muslims go. They come here to work or live, plan on changing your life style or don't come here. Womens rights & the freedoms we have here don't exist in Muslim countries never have & never will. It a part of their so called culture. Men rule & women are just there to use & abuse.

As far as the war goes there is oil, minerals, things our greedy country can use. It is not just about terrorists their is more to it then that.

The problems in the USA come from within. It is all about greed & power & it sucking us all in.

[Lady's Human]

Next year I will be able to collect my social security & I am currently working part time being paid & volunterring hours to help the non profit place I work for keep their doors open. I work for mimimum wage when I do get paid. I also work with 3 young teenagers who drive cars & have cell phones & dress nicely. They don't clean toilets, sit on their asses complain over who's turn it is to give the next tour. Just damn down right lazy along with the rest of the children in the USA. They have it all & seem to want more. You know what I think you should all do is get off your fat lazy asses get out there find a job & work. You want it all then earn it.

You paint with a brush which is overly broad. I know younger people in jobs who work their butts off.

As far as social security I earned it damn it. Whatever I spend will go back into my community. Lets have some of those Federal & State employees take a pay cut!

You don't think I earn my pay? I beg to differ.

The fat cats in Washington keep giving themselves raisies while the rest of us are suppose to suck it up. Locally our county attornery along with a bunch of county employees wanted raises while in the mean time our county roads are going to hell.

So vote their collective behinds out of office and give them a permanent vacation. I tire of hearing these gripes and seeing polls with 14% approval for congress, yet the incumbent re-election rate is over 90%.

They can't be too bad if you keep sending them back to Congress and their other elected jobs.

Another thing this country would not be in the hole if people paid their debts. Living beyond ones means can cause that.

How about having Congress loan money only to people who can afford to pay it back, and not punish banks with fines for good business practices in lending? Congress writes the rules the banks play by. Congress mandated that banks accept a certain % of sub prime loans. I know people with jobs in the $30-40K/year brakcet who were approved for over $250K in home loans. They didn't take them, but the money was there if they wanted it.

Womens rights & the freedoms we have here don't exist in Muslim countries never have & never will. It a part of their so called culture. Men rule & women are just there to use & abuse.

Again, an awfully broad brush. Prior to the Soviet invasion, women were doing pretty well in Afghanistan. There are also majority muslim countries with secular governments where women are allowed freedom.

As far as the war goes there is oil, minerals, things our greedy country can use. It is not just about terrorists their is more to it then that.

The problems in the USA come from within. It is all about greed & power & it sucking us all in.

Ahhhh, back to the war is about oil.........

What have oil prices done since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Last time I checked they went up.

Here's an idea:

Drill where the oil and Natural Gas are available in the US, get GE back in the business of producing Nuclear reactors for civilian use, open up Yucca Mountain (but whatever you do, leave that waste in such a manner so we can get to it later......we might find uses for it), and end the NIMBY movement with regards to energy.

Either that or go back to an early 19th century societal energy use across the board.

I have no issue with either option, but pick one and deal with the reality. You CANNOT have things both ways.

[Bonny]

You all wanted an opinion I jumped in. Politics as usual. My beliefs are broad so be it, they are my beliefs. Politicans are politicans they are all crooks, I don't care who you vote in. They start out with good ideas & get sucked in to it with the good old boys. Those kids that have jobs good for them maybe more kids will get out their & try to earn a wage instead of expecting mommy & daddy to pay for everything while the whole family goes into debt because they are living beyond their means.

Can you tell me why these banks are building big new buildings all over the USA? They must not be hurting to bad. MY son & daughter in law want to add on to their house & the banks are taking them for a roller coaster ride.

Lets go for other choices when it comes to powering our homes, cars, industry etc. Wind Generators are a start. Thermo energy, using the sun. All the things that are naturally there. Nuclear energy scars me to tell you the truth. Those barrels stored in that mountain are probably leaking as we speak.

As far as the Muslims go they have to change things their self. In Iraq, Bush had planned on educating the next generation, well it is not working out. The people are pissed over there they don't want our Western ideals crammed down their throats.

We all may have to give up something in the future if things keep going the way they are. Actually we have already so to speak. I know it is a broad response.

[Lady's Human]

Wind power is a very, very partial solution, as the wind doesn't blow 24/7, and the NIMBY crowd (strangely enough a large % of them are pushing for alternative energy, just not where they can see it)

Solar also is a very partial solution, with one caveat: Fund the hell out of NASA, and give the 10 years to have a solar power satellite system in place. Otherwise, you're limited to powering individual locations with photovoltaic cells, and there are some REALLY nasty chemicals used in manufacturing them. Eventually our house will probably be using them for supplemental power, but they aren't a solution unless you live in Arizona.

The other problem with both wind and solar is that you cannot efficiently transmit electricity over large areas. The loss is substantial Besides, as the recent fiasco in upstate NY shows, even high voltage lines aren't immune from NIMBY. (Unless you get into REALLY high voltages, and then forget even getting a permit to look at maybe possibly building a grid. China has accomplished extremely high voltage grid lines, we have not)

Nukes? TMI gave the residents in the immediate area an extra dental X-ray. It wasn't failure, it was proof of concept.

Chernobyl cannot happen in the US, as we don't use that type of reactor.

Barrels leaking in Yucca Mountain? They can't be. Last time I checked, there weren't any there.

Until people really decide they want alternative energy, it's not going to happen. The one option we know how to implement on a large enough scale to be an impact immediately is Nuclear, but it's so expensive legally that it's practically pointless to even ask for a permit for a plant.

[lizbud]

Wind power is a very, very partial solution, as the wind doesn't blow 24/7, and the NIMBY crowd (strangely enough a large % of them are pushing for alternative energy, just not where they can see it)

Solar also is a very partial solution, with one caveat: Fund the hell out of NASA, and give the 10 years to have a solar power satellite system in place. Otherwise, you're limited to powering individual locations with photovoltaic cells, and there are some REALLY nasty chemicals used in manufacturing them. Eventually our house will probably be using them for supplemental power, but they aren't a solution unless you live in Arizona.

The other problem with both wind and solar is that you cannot efficiently transmit electricity over large areas. The loss is substantial Besides, as the recent fiasco in upstate NY shows, even high voltage lines aren't immune from NIMBY. (Unless you get into REALLY high voltages, and then forget even getting a permit to look at maybe possibly building a grid. China has accomplished extremely high voltage grid lines, we have not)

Nukes? TMI gave the residents in the immediate area an extra dental X-ray. It wasn't failure, it was proof of concept.

Chernobyl cannot happen in the US, as we don't use that type of reactor.

Barrels leaking in Yucca Mountain? They can't be. Last time I checked, there weren't any there.

Until people really decide they want alternative energy, it's not going to happen. The one option we know how to implement on a large enough scale to be an impact immediately is Nuclear, but it's so expensive legally that it's practically pointless to even ask for a permit for a plant.

Thought the subject was Religion ? and who peed in your Cheerios this AM?

[Puckstop31]

You all wanted an opinion I jumped in. Politics as usual. My beliefs are broad so be it, they are my beliefs.

I don't want to speak for LH, but I am not trying to 'prove you wrong'. I think this is a good discussion.

[Lady's Human]

Puck, there's a REASON I'm an officer for what is, for all intents and purposes, a public employees' Union.

Research the labor conditions in the US Post Office prior to 1970 and it might open your eyes to see why the APWU exists.

For another example of why we need Unions, read:

http://www.pressconnects.com/article...cal-violations

and take into consideration that management at the plant has been screwing with the employees repeatedly about BS safety violations, but when someone finally has had enough and calls OSHA for real violations, what happens?

I spent this morning in a pre-disciplinary interview for my comments to OSHA.

[Puckstop31]

Next year I will be able to collect my social security & I am currently working part time being paid & volunterring hours to help the non profit place I work for keep their doors open. I work for mimimum wage when I do get paid. I also work with 3 young teenagers who drive cars & have cell phones & dress nicely. They don't clean toilets, sit on their asses complain over who's turn it is to give the next tour. Just damn down right lazy along with the rest of the children in the USA. They have it all & seem to want more. You know what I think you should all do is get off your fat lazy asses get out there find a job & work. You want it all then earn it.

Did you ever wonder why we (society) let our children get away with being lazy? I wonder if it has anything to do with discipline being so taboo? (Thank you Dr. Spock, moron.)

Before you respond, remember that it is those lazy kids who will be providing you your SS check....

As far as social security I earned it damn it. Whatever I spend will go back into my community.

Earned it? Last I checked, SS was not an investment system. The current working people pay for the current retired people. It is NOT a bank account saved up just for you. So, knowing that....

What happens 10 years or less down the road? When there are VASTLY more people drawing SS than paying into it? Something will HAVE to give.

There are no easy answer to the problems we face. There HAS to be pain. Pick your poison I reckon.

Lets have some of those Federal & State employees take a pay cut! The fat cats in Washington keep giving themselves raisies while the rest of us are suppose to suck it up. Locally our county attornery along with a bunch of county employees wanted raises while in the mean time our county roads are going to hell.

Better yet... Make public employee unions illegal. Let the cream get paid what they are worth and the less than cream.... What they are worth. You know, a free labor market?

As it stands now, in my state at least, the taxpayer is the one on the hook if the public employee pension system cannot afford its payouts. In times like this when the economy is down... Is it really fair to further burden those already deep in it to pay MORE? If everybody else is taking a cut, why not government?

The problems in the USA come from within. It is all about greed & power & it sucking us all in.

Who's greed and lust for power are you talking about?