Politics and religion.

[lizbud]

Interesting survey rankings of all 43 Presidents.

http://www.bizjournals.com/nashville...8/daily29.html

[Lady's Human]

The mere fact that Presidents Clinon, Obama, and Johnson are ahead of Presidents Adams (both) and Reagan speak volumes about the political leanings and perspective (or lack thereof) of the survey group.

[Puckstop31]

The mere fact that Presidents Clinon, Obama, and Johnson are ahead of Presidents Adams (both) and Reagan speak volumes about the political leanings and perspective (or lack thereof) of the survey group.

FDR? Mr. Big Government failure?

WILSON? Mr. "I interned more Americans than FDR did Japanese Americans during WW1?" WILSON? Mr. "Progressive Income Tax"?

Barack Obama #15, ALREADY? LOL

Its the greatest joke ever.... Certain people really believe such stuff. History is a cruel master sometimes. Facts are facts.... Regardless of how a group tries to change it.


Adams was a rather mediocre President... But he can justifiably pass the blame, partially on Jefferson. Our current Dear Leader and his merry band of idiots..... Worst ever, by far. ZERO "been there done that". And it shows.

[Lady's Human]

John Adams was the weakest of the original leaders no doubt, but he had assistance from many quarters in that, not just from Jefferson.

Again, he was shrill, opinionated, and undiplomatic, which played right into his opponents' hands.

TO rank him below LBJ and the current President, however, is a complete farce.

[lizbud]

Again, he was shrill, opinionated, and undiplomatic, which played right into his opponents' hands.

Hummm, sounds like someone else we know, but I can't quite recall his name.

Present company excepted of course.

[Puckstop31]

John Adams was the weakest of the original leaders no doubt, but he had assistance from many quarters in that, not just from Jefferson.

Again, he was shrill, opinionated, and undiplomatic, which played right into his opponents' hands.

TO rank him below LBJ and the current President, however, is a complete farce.

Reading a great work on the personal lives of some of the founders right now. The more I learn about John Adams... The more I feel a bit sorry for him. He REALLY had a hard time being separated for such a long time from his beloved Abigail. He really did sacrifice for his country. He knew it too...

"Posterity! You will never know how much it has cost my generation to preserve your freedom. I hope you will make good use of it."
John Adams

I know I could be EXTRA shrill, opinionated and undiplomatic if I had to be away from Tanya for a long time. But on the other hand, at least his detractors directly engaged him, rather than snipe from a distance with useless tripe.


"Our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor." This is what it used to be. NOW...

"THEIR lives, THEIR fortunes and 'what does sacred honor mean'?"

[Edwina's Secretary]

Good read Liz. And typically, 238 presidental scholars cannot possible compare to the unbiased...impartial...opinion of our denizen! Too, too funny.

I thought the factors they studied were interesting - not just the usual. Luck was different - although I think I might have rated the four presidents who were assasinated at the bottom for luck!

I am not a Wilson fan either but he was rated nearly bottom for "Willingness to Compromise." I struggle with him rated so high for domestic accomplishments though.

Perhaps I would rate Truman higher and Coolidge lower and Warren Harding and Franklin Pierce I would rate at the very bottom.

But that is quibbling I suppose.

I also like that it stated "Expert's present overall view..." (emphasis added and despite the misplaced apostrophy) -- an important point.

[Lady's Human]

Franklin Pierce I would rate at the very bottom.

There's one we can agree on.

"I almost singlehandedly re-ignited the debates that lead to the Civil War"

Hardly a resume-builder.

[lizbud]

The mere fact that Presidents Clinon, Obama, and Johnson are ahead of Presidents Adams (both) and Reagan speak volumes about the political leanings and perspective (or lack thereof) of the survey group.

The College that conducted the poll is in NY. Do you know of it?

http://www.siena.edu/pages/1.asp