Arizona immigration law

[Louie and me]

Talking about Hitler - I must confess that when I first heard about this bill my mind immediately went to the Jews in Nazi Germany with the Star of David sewn on their clothes. This bill is nowhere near that extreme but I do think it is pointing in a very scary direction.

[RICHARD]

I have to shatter some myths about the 'Illegals'.


In downtown El Lay you could drive around McArthur park and see guys gesturing that they had 'documents' for sale.

You could get almost anything for I.D. purposes.

I worked with a clerk in the records room that sold birth certificates, complete with a real doctor's signature out of the office.

They way it worked was to get the doc to presign the forms, then the clerk would fill them in and make a copy of the form that was to be submitted to the hall of records. Give it to the mom and their kids are registered for school.

Any school system would take that copy as a declaration that the child was indeed born here in the U.S...

Because the U.S. system of record keeping is so disjointed-anyone can and will get somekind of paperwork to make them 'legal'. There's people that share identities and social security numbers.


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The US government HAS to put pressure on the Mex government to make their northern border as strong as the southern access to thier company.

The border between Central America and Mexico is way tougher to cross than you may think.


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THere has to be some fine tuning to this law -I am not comfortable with the local police departments having that much power. Most of the time illegals are part of the crime problem here-not because they are the criminals.
It's because they will not report a crime for fear of being found to be illegal and then being fearful of being deported.


So, some crimes just are not reported.

There a way too many pros and cons in this conversation and most of them, on either side, are way too close to the truth.

Instead of acting wacky and stupid with boycotts of Arizona, more thought needs to be put into the idea of immigration laws.


BTW,

The Prez was able to solve the health care reform?!?!?!?

I am sure he can work a miracle for Immi Laws and then have time for the Oil Slick in the Gulf...

Just wondering.

[blue]

The Prez was able to solve the health care reform?!?!?!?

He did? I see a bigger boondoggle the the 2 wars we are fighting right now.

I am sure he can work a miracle for Immi Laws and then have time for the Oil Slick in the Gulf...

ShrubCo at least did a fly over 2 days after Katrina. Barry waits 8 days to say, "we're working on it".

[Karen]

Barry waits 8 days to say, "we're working on it".

What do you expect him to do? 8 days ago, they had no idea the fail safes had not worked, never mind that the well would continue to pump without a working pump to extract oil ... the situation has been evolving each day.

[blue]

What do you expect him to do? 8 days ago, they had no idea the fail safes had not worked, never mind that the well would continue to pump without a working pump to extract oil ... the situation has been evolving each day.

They expected ShrubCo to avert hurricane Katerina. Never mind the fact that the .GOV cannot control the weather.

There must not be enough illegal immigrants in LA to warrant BO's attention.

[RICHARD]

There must not be enough illegal immigrants in LA to warrant BO's attention.

El Lay or LA?

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I was being facetious about the government intervention, every crisis is different, but the criticism should be even.

[Lady's Human]

Warren Zevon lives!

OT, but the DC answer to the oil slick?

Send Lawyers:

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Guns:

INTERIOR DEPARTMENT:
The department deployed SWAT teams from the Minerals Management Service to inspect 30 drilling rigs operating in the deepwater sections of the Gulf of Mexico. Inspections should be completed within the next week, according to an Interior Department spokeswoman.

Inspectors will check to see whether the rigs have conducted blow-out preventer tests and inspect related records, the spokeswoman said. The teams will also verify that emergency well control exercises are taking place. Inspectors will then inspect 47 deep-water production platforms in the gulf, a process that will take longer than rig inspections because of the complexities of the structures.


And DC is involved, so you know money isn't too far behind!

[Lady's Human]

What do you expect him to do? 8 days ago, they had no idea the fail safes had not worked, never mind that the well would continue to pump without a working pump to extract oil ... the situation has been evolving each day.

Wells don't need a pump to bleed oil in many cases. See any of the pics from the oil rush in PA. The term "gusher" didn't enter the lexicon without cause.

All I expect, frankly, at this point, is equal critique for equal performance. Pres. Bush was hammered for a lack of federal response mere hours after Katrina hit.........despite the fact that military disaster response guides dictate that local authorities are on their own for a minimum of 48-72 hours after a disaster. It takes time for the federal government to act, especially in a military context within CONUS.

[cassiesmom]

There was a big march for immigration reform in Chicago today. Chicago has a big labor union presence, so May Day gets recognized. I heard on the news that the state spends over $3 billion yearly for education, health care and incarceration of illegal residents. "What does an illegal immigrant look like?" is a big question. But $3 billion is a LOT of money. All I know for sure is that we can't keep doing what we have been doing, because it's not working. If I wanted to move to Canada I would have to obtain proper documentation as a resident and as a nurse. What's different about Mexicans coming here? But the President doesn't know if he'll "get to immigration" because of the ecological impact of the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, restructuring financial regulation, and health care.

[blue]

I cant possibly be the only poster in this thread that has actually read the AZ law.