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    Has anyone any thoughts on rank structure ????
    Say for instance.........the sergeant is gay and the private in his outfit is not gay.
    I know that if the powers that be did approve of gays in the forces, then they would certainly have new military laws against pulling rank in sexual situations.
    But that wouldn't stop the sergeant from giving that private a bad time on the side....would it ????
    And how would the private treat that, if say for instance the sergeant made sexual advances on him privately.......the poor old private would have no defence in a military court.
    Where would it stop ????? Look at the problems in the military now with both men and women.....sexual harassment cases all the time....even rape !!!!!

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    It is completely and absolutely forbidden to "pull rank" and demand sexual favors ever within the military, regardless of sexuality. It may happen anyway, but it IS absolutely against the rules.

    I am all for "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" being lifted, as long as it is done correctly, and with thought about the situations people are in. And in my opinion, it shouldn't be anyone's business and if someone does not WANT to reveal his or her sexuality, it should not be forced.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen View Post
    It is completely and absolutely forbidden to "pull rank" and demand sexual favors ever within the military, regardless of sexuality. It may happen anyway, but it IS absolutely against the rules.

    It happens, and it frequently happens in the reverse, as well.

    Many Drill Sergeants have had their careers ended by charges of that nature.

    Whether or not the charges held up is immaterial. Once the integrity of a sergeant is challenged in that manner, they're DONE. It is incredibly easy for a Private to end the career of a Drill Sergeant.

    It's easier to recover your career from a DUI or drug offense.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    It happens, and it frequently happens in the reverse, as well.

    Many Drill Sergeants have had their careers ended by charges of that nature.

    Whether or not the charges held up is immaterial. Once the integrity of a sergeant is challenged in that manner, they're DONE. It is incredibly easy for a Private to end the career of a Drill Sergeant.

    It's easier to recover your career from a DUI or drug offense.
    Then if the law is passed, won't the problems you already have in the military become greater ????

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    Yep.

    And not just the issues with Drill Sergeants.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Then why would they consider passing the laws ????
    I know that lawmakers are usually very much out of touch with REAL issues, but surely they can use their heads when it involves something as important as the military.

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    It's all about social engineering, and has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the force.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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