I personally don't do obediance mostly because I can't neither of my dogs are allowed in CKC events...though Winter could mostly likely take part in ABCA (Alberta Border Collie Associtaion...at least I think that's what it's called) events, but to be honest my dogs know enough obdeiance stuff to be good dogs at home and fairly good in public...they do tend to lose their minds in public, and enough stuff to excel in agility...so now that I think about they actually know a fair number of commands.