Contaminated Dog Treats

[Lady's Human]

I'm going to make one last post concerning salmonella poisoning and I'm out.

It has been discussed many, many time on this board and most of the references quoted are questionable at best.

There are many disagreements about what to feed animals, they get heated, no one convinces anyone of anything, and it's buried for a while until someone brings it up again.

IIRC, the book you quoted (the quote looks extremely familiar) has little scientific study to back it up.

The statement "all dog food contains salmonella" is myth. Pure, total and complete fabrication.

Also, the statement that canine stomach acids are more acidic than human is questionable at best, being that human gastric acid has a Ph between 1 and 2. You can't get much lower than that.

[MonicanHonda]

Your right, I will retract it and say most, mostly including the not so grand brands. I don't think people need to get uptight and defensive about it. What you feed your dogs is what you feed your dogs. But the true plain god given fact is that dogs are 99.8% related to wolves and they can breed with wolves. Obviously their systems can't be that different. Before dog food, there have been dogs eating roadkill and table scraps.

This is what I'm going to be doing for a living. I don't think I would give anyone false information. I LIVE for this stuff.

Oh and actually there are many different answers to the pH of human stomachs. Lots of places say less than 4, 1-2, 2-3, 3-4. Most places say dogs are 1... possibly 2. And there really isn't an argument against the shortness because dogs are meant to eat meat (not trying to convert anyone. One of my dogs still eats kibble... she lives with the grandparents... long story. But I really hate it when people think I'm trying to convert them)

[Lady's Human]

Not much argument about the Ph of human stomach acid, as it's a fairly strong hydrochloric acid soup. Without the thick layer of protective mucous lining the stomach, it would literally eat through flesh.

As to the relation with wolves, yes, they are, but a wolf in the wild lives 8-10 years. Frankly I'd like to keep Lady around a little longer than that.

Salmonella poisoning certainly happens in dogs, and if "most" dog food contained salmonella vets would be making a lot more money with the frequent visits resulting from illnesses.

[MonicanHonda]

Mhmm, and giant breed dogs are living longer on a raw diet. My mentor's newfie's have long passed at least 12 years old instead of the usual 8. Most wolves die because they can no longer catch their food, they are larger than most of your dogs (except your giant breeds) and if you think about it, that's longer than most Great Danes and other giant breeds *edit here* are SUGGESTED to live.

And like I previously stated. Dogs have shorter and stronger digestive tracts than we do. They don't have more cases in salmonella poisioning because healthy dogs can fight it off. Immunocompromised dogs are usually the ones showing symptoms.

And yes, I know all about the mucousal membrane. If you would like to discuss all the layers in the stomach, I would be glad to. The fact is just plain truth that dog's stomachs move the food faster through than a human's stomach.

Here is a book from a DVM: http://books.google.com/books?id=swI...=PP1&dq=Donald +R.+Strombeck&client=firefox-a&cd=1#v=onepage&q=bacteria&f=false

Page 44ish will be what we're discussing.Basically saying that cooking does kill bacteria but it can just regrow on it once the cooking process is over. Also, some dogs dine on nuggest left in the backyard. Here is what my friend told me once, it made me chuckle:

dogs will snack on poop every chance they get, cat poop is a delicacy, rabbit poo is a treat, etc. Poop is FULL OF E.Coli and probably salmonella too. All the rubbish from the digestive tract is chock full of bacteria. Well, dogs eat poop all the time and don't get sick. Right?! *edit* I know I have to run Delta away from little rabbit poos every time she finds them. LOL!

I have given my information, I hope someone learns from it. Have a good day.

[Freedom]

Thanks for the heads up! I've cross posted and emailed to all my friends w/dogs, as I have no idea who of them may buy that. I never heard of it, lol.

Appreciate the posting.

[omgitsapibble]

Thanks for the heads up with that link.

And just wanted to mention that dogs can, and do, get Salmonella, and can get very sick from it as well. Working for my vet, we saw two different such cases. One was a Rhodesian Ridgeback, who became SEVERELY ill. After labatory testing, it was found that he had Salmonella. He had severe gastrointestinal distress, vomiting, lethargy and high fever.

[stace1319]

monica, I have to go with you on this one. I've been researching alot on the raw diet for dogs and everything I've read confirms that dogs do have better immune systems then people do. My dogs have brought home many deer legs, etc. and never had a problem. Mind you, I don't really like dead animals in my yard, lol. I end up disposing of them and this only happens when Harley gets that selective hearing he tends to get on occasion and I have to go on a wild dog hunt. Bottem line, I think dogs can eat a lot more contaminated things then people can. I have also read in many parenting magazines, the warnings of salmonella being contracted from dog treats onto you little ones hands. I'm not saying anyone is wronge, I'm just sharing what I've learned.