I'm just wondering whats your thought on chaining a dog?

[Marty]

Confrontational? yes I am and its because I've done this same thing for many yrs with the same type of forum's and member's as this one, can you say foresight?...

Thank you LH for your posts. I agree 100+%.

I said I wasn't going to publically post in response to any other post here, and in keeping with that, I sent a PM to one of the OP's friends, explaining in a rational manner, why I, and a lot of others, see him as confrontational. I shouldn't have wasted my time and energy, because in the end, I was told that I was rude and bashing the OP. I still have the PM's, and would be glad to forward them to anyone who might want to view the conversation, then you can tell me if I was rude and a basher.

This OP started out looking for issues in his Introduction. He admittedly "opened a can of worms", and when no one took the bait, he started this tread with the same intention. Not a lot of folks read Intros - thus the lack of response - IMO of course. So he starts a new thread (same subject) here - makes it a one sentence post ending with "so what's the big problem?" HUH????? Nobody had a chance to even say if it was a problem, since he chose to make it one on his own, and in only one sentence. Is it any wonder that people view him as confrontational? If someone says to me "so what's the big problem?", or "have you got a problem with that?", and the like, then I know "words" will probably follow.

I have nothing against the OP, his dogs, his friends, etc. Perhaps if he would change his approach and soften up just a little, people might see him in a different light. I'm not saying to be sweet and syrupy, but tone it down a notch or two. Again - this is my opinion for what it's worth.

So you thought you would get some different answer's from my friend's?

Why not come to me?

So, I'm going to try and rephrase a question I have from Anna's post... and one you never answered on the forum thread you posted...

My previous dalmatian had excellent definition in her hind quarters... they have very strong legs, hence why they can run for miles. She acquired these amazing muscles (because she didn't have them when I had her) by running her with me on my bike every day for a very long time.

Yes, genetics has something to do with it... but...

I know that you cannot get a dog that looks like that from genetics. How, exactly, do you get your dogs in amazing shape for showing them?

dalmatian and APBT's are two different breeds, Lilbit is 100% natural nothing but love and a bed to sleep on all day long, my dogs are taken off the chain and shown in ADBA conformaition show's and win Best of show and Best of opposite...





Brother and sister winning both Best in show and best of opposite in a ADBA point show....

Marty;2223864:How about you come and spend the day with us and see what we do all day long I'm in Ga and thats not to far away >>>>>>

Well I live out in CA. so how about indulging me and answering Anna's questions. You said you wanted to educate us! Now I am curious about your dogs. Do you have a web site that explains about you, your training and breeding program etc.? I have seen plenty of fabulous pics.

Check out Game-dog.com, Pitbull-chat.com

Why not just Google "Marty's lilbit" were known all over the world LOL

Game-dog.com is more geared to the history of the breed and yes it lintels the talk of dog fighting... do I agree with dog fighting? heck no!

If everyone had thoroughly read LH's posts, they just might have gotten a clue!

Why are you derailing my post with what went on in another post?

This thread is about chaining dogs and what pet owners think about it!!!

Mod's please delete off topic post's

He most likely doesn't. I don't think someone goes around flaunting that. But they do talk about it on his website. People brought it up on the forum he posted. You're right, I only glanced at his game dogs website. I did see stuff about dog fighting, but did not look into it. And just because I said they TALK about it... doesn't mean I meant that he did it. *Edited to add this*

As for the bugs... they REALLY creep me out. Like... I'm a BABY when it comes to spiders. I'm getting BETTER, but big ones still creep me out Eww eww eww.

I only glanced at his game dogs website. I did see stuff about dog fighting, but did not look into it.So you took a glance and your going to condemn me to hell cause we talk about the history of the breed?

I'm a very busy man so if I don't get right back to you don't think nothing of it

[MonicanHonda]

Hmm, did I say I was going to condemn you to hell? No... I don't think I did. Thank you very much.

As for your dogs, then I do feel sorry for them if they don't even get a walk. Get them out once in awhile, dogs love it.

[MonicanHonda]

I have a few more things to say, and I'm going to be nice, so I am expecting your comments back to be nice.

-Upon googling Marty's Lil Bit as you have asked me to, it seems you have a big following and you must be proud. Something must be RIGHT about this dog.

-I was not claiming that you fight your dogs, or that anyone does. I was simply stating you talk about it because someone else brought it up. So thank you for telling me that you guys are talking about the history of the dog. I was figuring that you would give us an answer for it.

[pomtzu]

Hey Marty - it seems that there's a lot of "off topic" posts in this thread - so don't tell me that it's ME derailing your thread. Go back and re-read and you shall see!

What I find puzzling, is that you start a thread, and then don't answer any of the questions that are put to you. You just keep referring folks to other sites. Why start a thread here in the first place if you're so busy that you don't have the time to answer??? Check out XXXXX.com, and why not GoogleXXXXX????? Maybe the people that want answers prefer "one stop shopping" here at PT, and don't care to go searching other places for the elusive answers.

[Daisy and Delilah]

I have very little time to be on PT anymore for family illness and other things. I really miss PT. I have a few spare minutes today so I decided to visit. Question:

WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENING ON THIS BOARD ALL OF A SUDDEN????

Where did this whole slew of new people come from that CONTINUE to cause trouble? We have lost so many of our older members for things like this. If you people are here to create controversy, MOVE ON!!! Go back to the boards that enjoy this ridiculous bickering.

If any of you were experiencing the life I'm experiencing right now, you would put aside this nonsense and find something to be productive about. This trivial garbage is insane. Get a life!!! If any of you have seen a family member or friend degrade from Alzheimer's or cancer, you wouldn't think of acting like this. This is what I'm living every day and I don't want to see these kind of threads again. I believe in a spirited discussion just like everyone else but this one has been done for sport and hatefulness. It's nasty, unnecessary, and downright volatile.

Don't sit there and act like you're dumbfounded at the reaction you got. You expected it from the beginning. You knew where it was going. I am flabbergasted at how you have a whole "team" of helpers on board "all of a sudden" to back up these displays of pettyness. STOP IT!!

Your dogs are gorgeous. Do what you have to to train them or keep them healthy and happy. If they must be chained, so be it. Stop daring people to complain about it. Keep it to yourself. No one here needs to know about it, especially when you know it's a hot point to make here.

As someone else said; When did Pet Talk start hating Pit Bulls? Did I miss that trend???

Another comment::::For those asking questions and acting shocked that some folks think some of you have attitude problems......your posts are screaming attitude problem and confrontation. Perhaps some of you can't see it but most of us can.

[Aidan]

I completely disagree. With a thread like this I believe intentions are to show there are right ways to go about doing things such as tethering an animal for a good part of its day. Confrontational, how? Because its a topic that can cause confrontation? Thats not the OPs fault, thats those who respond in a negative way. Threads like this are needed to educate, to help people realize that set ups like this do not always mean irresponsibility, and even worse, some would see things like this out in the real world as someone who mistreats his dogs and maybe even fights them. I am new here, correct me if I am wrong, but are forums such as this not used to help educate and to discuss certain aspects of ownership?

I also think its down right disrespectful to say "slew of new people that continue to cause trouble", as you are speaking about the influx of APBT and bully people who have joined the boards. I think it comes down to an idea people may already have when it comes to things these new people discuss and don't want to discuss. Intentions are never to stir the pot, if you see the topic that way you already have some pre conceived notions towards the idea and see it that way from the get go.

[Lady's Human]

Threads like this are needed to educate, to help people realize that set ups like this do not always mean irresponsibility, and even worse, some would see things like this out in the real world as someone who mistreats his dogs and maybe even fights them. I am new here, correct me if I am wrong, but are forums such as this not used to help educate and to discuss certain aspects of ownership?

Yes, these forums have an educational bent. However, the boards have never been anti APBT, and have been rabidly anti BSL as long as I've been here. The OP, as stated in his last post, wanted a confrontation. There's no reason to be confrontational here, as very, very few here have a bias against pitties.

I also think its down right disrespectful to say "slew of new people that continue to cause trouble", as you are speaking about the influx of APBT and bully people who have joined the boards. I think it comes down to an idea people may already have when it comes to things these new people discuss and don't want to discuss. Intentions are never to stir the pot, if you see the topic that way you already have some pre conceived notions towards the idea and see it that way from the get go.

Disrespectful?

Disrespectful is coming here as the OP did with an intention to cause conflict. THAT is disrespect.

Disrespectful is assuming that these boards are anti-pit. No, they're not. Yes, there have been harsh responses to some of the posts, but it has nothing to do with the breed, rather it is a reaction to the attitude of some of the people who have posted. If you were to actually LOOK at some of the past threads about pitties, you'll find that the anti-pit posts have been met with nothing but disgust in most cases. Again, it has nothing to do with the breed, it has to do with the attitudes of some of the people. Frankly, I prefer dogs to people most of the time, and people who come onto a new forum knowing nothing about it and start arguments are one of the many reasons I think dogs are better than people.

[Candy317]

I completely disagree. With a thread like this I believe intentions are to show there are right ways to go about doing things such as tethering an animal for a good part of its day. Confrontational, how? Because its a topic that can cause confrontation? Thats not the OPs fault, thats those who respond in a negative way. Threads like this are needed to educate, to help people realize that set ups like this do not always mean irresponsibility, and even worse, some would see things like this out in the real world as someone who mistreats his dogs and maybe even fights them. I am new here, correct me if I am wrong, but are forums such as this not used to help educate and to discuss certain aspects of ownership?

I also think its down right disrespectful to say "slew of new people that continue to cause trouble", as you are speaking about the influx of APBT and bully people who have joined the boards. I think it comes down to an idea people may already have when it comes to things these new people discuss and don't want to discuss. Intentions are never to stir the pot, if you see the topic that way you already have some pre conceived notions towards the idea and see it that way from the get go.

Agreed. For those who don't like it, simple, don't read and don't respond

If these are truely 'trolls' as so many of you put it, then a mod would of said something to address the issue. And a mod has yet to said anything so thus there is nothing to address!

I find it hard to 'pity' some of the people who say the forum isn't what isn't what it use to be, when some of these same people are sending nasty PMs. I don't see how thats any better or welcoming for our newcomers.

Don't like a person? Don't like their post? There's a little something called ignorning their posts Problem solved.

[Marty]

You think your site is really doing me harm?

I been under the spot light for many yrs, I got all the hatters after me...

http://cravendesires.blogspot.com/

I don't run away scared LOL

I'm a fighter not a lover, I fight for what I believe in

[pomtzu]

Thank you Terry (Daisy & Delilah for those that don't know her) for this post. You've pretty much covered all bases here, and I can only hope as you do, that some kind of peace and order can be restored to this board.

It's true, we have lost a lot of older members recently due to unnecessary conflicts - members that have been around a lot longer than I have. This place just isn't what it used to be. I'll be the first to admit that at times I tend to spout off more than I should, but I've been working on resolving that problem. I just get so aggravated at some of the nonsense that goes on at times, and I add my 2 cents worth when I should just keep my opinions to myself. But as I've said repeatedly - it's only my opinion for what it's worth.

That being said, I'll try to make this my last post in this thread, and any other thread that involves potentially explosive material. I intend to do my part to put an end to all this nonsense. If it means leaving this community, so be it.

And to EVERYBODY - if you want to be part of restoring this board to what it used to be - then DO NOT comment on this post.

And yes - I realize that this post is "off topic", so I'm guilty as charged this time.

Thanks again Terry - I'll be in touch thu email.

[Asiel]

I have very little time to be on PT anymore for family illness and other things. I really miss PT. I have a few spare minutes today so I decided to visit. Question:

WHAT THE HECK IS HAPPENING ON THIS BOARD ALL OF A SUDDEN????

Another comment::::For those asking questions and acting shocked that some folks think some of you have attitude problems......your posts are screaming attitude problem and confrontation. Perhaps some of you can't see it but most of us can.

Thank you for a well written and great post. ( shortened here as anyone can read it above) Ditto for me .

[Grace]

Thank you for a well written and great post. ( shortened here as anyone can read it above) Ditto for me .

Another in agreement.