Dogs in stores

**Candy317** · 01-05-2010, 01:06 PM

Originally Posted by MonicanHonda

I think the OP is just talking about people who sneak their dogs in. At least that's what I get. Which I agree if you sneak your dogs in. If the place allows you to bring the dog then, then they let you.

Well the whole allergy thing could be noted for any dog period in a store, snuck in or not.

And I find her/his last statement of 'sneaking your little dog' very rude. I have to deal with that BS all the time, oh because I have a little dog I think I'm special and am allowed to do things big dog owners can't do. I just get this whole rerun of the witch from the Wizard of Oz, which scared the bejeebus out of me watching it as a kid when people say 'your little dog'. *Shivers*

How about just MY DOG, not my little dog, not my fro fro dog, MY DOG.

**MonicanHonda** · 01-05-2010, 01:09 PM

lol! My friend is terrified of it, but my mother loves it. The movie of course. Hahaha "And your little dog tooo!"

**pomtzu** · 01-05-2010, 01:28 PM

I'm not going to go into depth on this and create a hassle, but unless it's a service dog, it doesn't belong in a store other than a pet/pet supply store. The size of the dog doesn't matter.
The store owner/manager is responsible for the safety of his patrons, and a dog in a store could compromise this. And I'm not talking necessarily of a dog that may bite. All a dog would have to do is slobber a little, the owner doesn't notice or clean it up, someone steps in it and and slips and falls. LAWSUIT!!! And it's the store that takes the hit - not the dog owner.
So - IMO - it is irresponsible for anyone to take a dog in a store, without good cause.
My state may be a small state, but stores here are smart enough to cover their back sides and not allow dogs in stores at random.

**Candy317** · 01-05-2010, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by pomtzu

I'm not going to go into depth on this and create a hassle, but unless it's a service dog, it doesn't belong in a store other than a pet/pet supply store. The size of the dog doesn't matter.
The store owner/manager is responsible for the safety of his patrons, and a dog in a store could compromise this. And I'm not talking necessarily of a dog that may bite. All a dog would have to do is slobber a little, the owner doesn't notice or clean it up, someone steps in it and and slips and falls. LAWSUIT!!! And it's the store that takes the hit - not the dog owner.
So - IMO - it is irresponsible for anyone to take a dog in a store, without good cause.
My state may be a small state, but stores here are smart enough to cover their back sides and not allow dogs in stores at random.

That is NOT the owners responsibility to do so, that is the OWNERS.

And thats whats wrong with this country, people are too sue-happy. What am I going to sue a five year old kid, because he spilled his ice cream om $50 shirt? Or wait, lets take that a step further, just sue Diary Queen for the mishap, that'll be a much bigger settlement, it was their ice cream at fault.

Did you hear about the lawsuit at an aquarium that someone slipped and blamed it on the dolphins for throwing water? What'cha expect? Or the lawsuit where three boys died because they got stuck in the back of the truck and they blamed the car company? Where were the parents watching them?!! Or the robber who falls while trying to break into the house and sues the people of the house for his fall?! Seriously if something happens, and the first thing you can come up with is 'sue', I feel bad living in such society.

I dunno, I rather live in my dog-friendly state

I haven't heard any store gets sue because of dog stories so far.

Call me irresponsible, yet I have never caused an issue at a store with my dogs. As for my good cause, it brings people joy when they see a dog where they would not frequently see a dog. I get alot of people who tell me aw reminds me of my old dog, or this made my day, ect. Not to mention I enjoy my dogs company and they enjoy my company, thats a good enough 'cause' for me alone.

**pomtzu** · 01-05-2010, 01:55 PM

Originally Posted by Candy317

That is NOT the owners responsibility to do so, that is the OWNERS.

And thats whats wrong with this country, people are too sue-happy. What am I going to sue a five year old kid, because he spilled his ice cream om $50 shirt? Or wait, lets take that a step further, just sue Diary Queen for the mishap, that'll be a much bigger settlement, it was their ice cream at fault.

Did you hear about the lawsuit at an aquarium that someone slipped and blamed it on the dolphins for throwing water? What'cha expect? Or the lawsuit where three boys died because they got stuck in the back of the truck and they blamed the car company? Where were the parents watching them?!! Or the robber who falls while trying to break into the house and sues the people of the house for his fall?! Seriously if something happens, and the first thing you can come up with is 'sue', I feel bad living in such society.

I dunno, I rather live in my dog-friendly state

I haven't heard any store gets sue because of dog stories so far.

Call me irresponsible, yet I have never caused an issue at a store with my dogs. As for my good cause, it brings people joy when they see a dog where they would not frequently see a dog. I get alot of people who tell me aw reminds me of my old dog, or this made my day, ect. Not to mention I enjoy my dogs company and they enjoy my company, thats a good enough 'cause' for me alone.

Sorry - but I sure don't understand your first sentence here.

It's not the owner's responsibility - it's the owners??????

It is the responsibility of the DOG owner to clean up after the dog. If he doesn't and there is a mishap, the store owner would take the hit - not the dog owner.

Sure people are sue happy - I don't agree with it in most instances - but it happens no matter how petty the issue. If I were a store owner, I sure would do everything possible to cover my back side.

BTW - these are my opinions and observations and they obviously aren't worth a hill of beans.

**Candy317** · 01-05-2010, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by pomtzu

Sorry - but I sure don't understand your first sentence here.

It's not the owner's responsibility - it's the owners??????

It is the responsibility of the DOG owner to clean up after the dog. If he doesn't and there is a mishap, the store owner would take the hit - not the dog owner.

Sure people are sue happy - I don't agree with it in most instances - but it happens no matter how petty the issue. If I were a store owner, I sure would do everything possible to cover my back side.

BTW - these are my opinions and observations and they obviously aren't worth a hill of beans.

Oh sorry I meant store owner then dog owner...I thought you were talking about the store owner.

And yes your opinion does matter, because I'm one of those 'irresponsible' people that brings dogs into stores......I want to know exactly how it makes me irresponsible?

Because OTHERS have let their dogs pee in stores? Why should *I* take them blame for that?! Why shouldn't I be allowed to bring my well-behaved dogs in a store? Its the same thing like with bully breeds, because others aren't responsible with their dogs and bites and whatnot have happened, then others who are responsible have to deal with other people's mistakes in the sake of having their breed banned or pts or not allowed in their home/apartment. Have you seen the picture of all the 'pit bulls' that have been pts, because they've been banned? And what have them done wrong? NOTHING, but be someone's beloved pet and be born the 'wrong' breed.

Seems silly to me to blame everyone, when not everyone is irresponsible with their dog. It should be on a case-by-case, not broad judgement that people who bring their dogs in stores don't clean up after or whatever the case is. If a dog owner has an unruly dog in a store, then no they shouldn't be allowed in the store, but on the other hand, not everyone is an irresponsible dog owner.

Lets ban kids from stores while we're at it. I've seen more store mishaps from a kid than a dog my whole lifetime. Speaking of I never seen a dog break a store's item or messed up the shoe rack in a shoe store after I just rearranged it, grr lol minor rant there. I mean because a couple of kids are unruly and their parents allow them, should then everyone else with kids suffer the consequences? Doesn't seem fair now does it?

**MonicanHonda** · 01-05-2010, 02:05 PM

Ouch for the hands with the german shepherd. That sounds horrible. Ick.That just makes my hands hurt!!!

As for suing, people do go crazy with that! It's insane!

I ONLY use my flexi leash for taking Delta outside to go potty (no fence). Then we go right back up the stairs. (I live in an apartment). If I go for a walk, definitely a regular leash....

YOUR POOR HANDS!!! Haha, that really bothers me. Lol

**Karen** · 01-05-2010, 02:36 PM

Originally Posted by Candy317

Seems silly to me to blame everyone, when not everyone is irresponsible with their dog. It should be on a case-by-case, not broad judgement that people who bring their dogs in stores don't clean up after or whatever the case is. If a dog owner has an unruly dog in a store, then no they shouldn't be allowed in the store, but on the other hand, not everyone is an irresponsible dog owner.

Lets ban kids from stores while we're at it. I've seen more store mishaps from a kid than a dog my whole lifetime. Speaking of I never seen a dog break a store's item or messed up the shoe rack in a shoe store after I just rearranged it, grr lol minor rant there. I mean because a couple of kids are unruly and their parents allow them, should then everyone else with kids suffer the consequences? Doesn't seem fair now does it?

The laws are the way they are for a reason. And in general, we all pay for the crimes of the few, living in society with other humans. There are laws about who can drive, who can drink alcohol, etc - because of the irresponsible minority, not the rest of the responsible majority.

And because there are irresponsible pet owners, for example, landlords are allowed to prohibit pet ownership in apartments. It is sad, but that's the way it is, and the same with dogs in stores.

**pomtzu** · 01-05-2010, 02:54 PM

Originally Posted by Candy317

Oh sorry I meant store owner then dog owner...I thought you were talking about the store owner.

And yes your opinion does matter, because I'm one of those 'irresponsible' people that brings dogs into stores......I want to know exactly how it makes me irresponsible?

Because OTHERS have let their dogs pee in stores? Why should *I* take them blame for that?! Why shouldn't I be allowed to bring my well-behaved dogs in a store? Its the same thing like with bully breeds, because others aren't responsible with their dogs and bites and whatnot have happened, then others who are responsible have to deal with other people's mistakes in the sake of having their breed banned or pts or not allowed in their home/apartment. Have you seen the picture of all the 'pit bulls' that have been pts, because they've been banned? And what have them done wrong? NOTHING, but be someone's beloved pet and be born the 'wrong' breed.

Seems silly to me to blame everyone, when not everyone is irresponsible with their dog. It should be on a case-by-case, not broad judgement that people who bring their dogs in stores don't clean up after or whatever the case is.

Lets ban kids from stores while we're at it. I've seen more store mishaps from a kid than a dog my whole lifetime. Speaking of I never seen a dog break a store's item or messed up the shoe rack in a shoe store after I just rearranged it, grr lol minor rant there. I mean because a couple of kids are unruly and their parents allow them, should then everyone else with kids suffer the consequences? Doesn't seem fair now does it?

As I said - what I say is my opinion.

Irresponsible - because you (or anybody) is thinking of yourself/themselves, and not the safety and comfort of the patrons who do not bring their dogs in a store. People go to stores to shop. Why do dogs go to stores? Certainly not to shop - only because their owner takes them along. And yes - children go to stores but not to shop. They go with their parents or another adult because they cannot be left at home. You can leave your dog home but choose not to, so doggie tags along only because his owner wants him there. Even when I go to Petsmart, my dogs ride in a cart and do not walk beside me. I would rather be safe than sorry. And yes - I do realize that not all dogs are of a size to ride in a cart!

No one said you should take the blame for someone else's dog. If you were to sit your well behaved dog next to one not so well behaved, could I tell the difference just by looking at them. Of course not! Can a store owner tell the difference? Of course not! It would be next to impossible to judge if the dog is store friendly, and could not be done on a case by case basis. And I'm not singling out a particular breed either. I've come across a couple of very loveable pits (in my limited exposure to them), and some very nasty and ill tempered little dogs. The size or the breed is not the issue.

Perhaps it's my age showing here, and I'm not in tune to the changing times. I know that I'm a whole lot older than most here. I was brought up in a different generation that had a different set of values and a lot more respect for others. Somehow, those values have changed, and us old dinosaurs haven't. So I will stick to my beliefs on issues, but I harbour no hard feelings toward those who think differently than I do.

Just remember, there is usually no right or wrong, or black or white, but somewhere in between those extremes, there can be a happy medium.

**Twisterdog** · 01-06-2010, 10:51 PM

Originally Posted by pomtzu

I'm not going to go into depth on this and create a hassle, but unless it's a service dog, it doesn't belong in a store other than a pet/pet supply store. The size of the dog doesn't matter.

I agree.

***LabLoverKEB*** · 01-07-2010, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by Twisterdog

I agree.

Me too.

**Asiel** · 01-07-2010, 08:06 PM

[QUOTE=pomtzu;2224021]I'm not going to go into depth on this and create a hassle, but unless it's a service dog, it doesn't belong in a store other than a pet/pet supply store. The size of the dog doesn't matter.
So - IMO - it is irresponsible for anyone to take a dog in a store, without good cause.

I agree with all of you.