Government run health care

[Cataholic]

I don't see a need for you to use personal attacks here.

The Op was stating facts. A little bluntly maybe, but to the point.

I am sorry that you took my comment to be a personal attack upon someone. It wasn't. It was a comment, a rather polite one at that.
But, thank you for your opinion. As ironic as I might find it.

[Edwina's Secretary]

My comment on Government-run healthcare, and I don't really care to read this entire thread, so bear with me if I sound like Captain Obvious:


Furthermore, you are placing your entire life in the hands of the Government, whether you like to admit it or not. So, instead of private corporations getting to decide whether you get treatment and live or not, the government is going to do it for them.


Congratulations.

Thank you for the congratulations! Why do you think it is better for private corporations, whose motive is profit - which they make by NOT paying claims - than the government?

And no, I am not putting my entire life in the hands of the government. What meaningless hyperbole! The government does not and will not decide what I eat, where I work, who I marry, where I live, etc. etc. etc. Poppycock statement you made.

As for my taxes paying for medical care...who on earth do you think pays for it now? The Tooth Fairy???

I and my employer pay insurance premiums. I and my employer pay taxes. The premiums paid by me and on my behalf cover my medical expenses, the medical expenses of other participants and their dependents and lazy pikers who don't bother paying premiums. The rest of the medical expenses are paid by the government - using my tax dollars.

This is one of my pet peeves in this discussion. People who don't have insurance and are proud of it.

If they need medical care they will get it. Broken bone, serious illness - they will not be turned away from the hospital.

Maybe, maybe...they will work out a payment over time. But...the hospital must pay its employees and suppliers NOW. So they must borrow money to cover those expenses while they wait for the pikers to pay.

And who pays the cost of borrowing money? And the services that don't get paid for by the recipient of the medical care?

Me. And you. If you have medical insurance. And/or pay taxes.

This debate is not about cost. It is about whether medical care for the people of this country should be determined by the profit motive of private corporations or the government that is chartered with the general welfare of its people.

Do you sound like Captain Obvious? No, you sound like Captain Doesn't Know What He Is Talking About.

[lizbud]

I know I have said this before but you must have had a very, very difficult childhood to sound so bitter about many things.

This comment isn't personal?

[lizbud]

Thank you for the congratulations! Why do you think it is better for private corporations, whose motive is profit - which they make by NOT paying claims - than the government?

And no, I am not putting my entire life in the hands of the government. What meaningless hyperbole! The government does not and will not decide what I eat, where I work, who I marry, where I live, etc. etc. etc. Poppycock statement you made.

As for my taxes paying for medical care...who on earth do you think pays for it now? The Tooth Fairy???

I and my employer pay insurance premiums. I and my employer pay taxes. The premiums paid by me and on my behalf cover my medical expenses, the medical expenses of other participants and their dependents and lazy pikers who don't bother paying premiums. The rest of the medical expenses are paid by the government - using my tax dollars.

This is one of my pet peeves in this discussion. People who don't have insurance and are proud of it.

If they need medical care they will get it. Broken bone, serious illness - they will not be turned away from the hospital.

Maybe, maybe...they will work out a payment over time. But...the hospital must pay its employees and suppliers NOW. So they must borrow money to cover those expenses while they wait for the pikers to pay.

And who pays the cost of borrowing money? And the services that don't get paid for by the recipient of the medical care?

Me. And you. If you have medical insurance. And/or pay taxes.

This debate is not about cost. It is about whether medical care for the people of this country should be determined by the profit motive of private corporations or the government that is chartered with the general welfare of its people.

Do you sound like Captain Obvious? No, you sound like Captain Doesn't Know What He Is Talking About.

He sounds like what he is (supposedly) A 13 yr old kid with a lot of time
on his hands.

[caseysmom]

He sounds like what he is (supposedly) A 13 yr old kid with a lot of time
on his hands.

So its okay for you to get personal but not cataholic?

[Hellow]

And no, I am not putting my entire life in the hands of the government. What meaningless hyperbole! The government does not and will not decide what I eat, where I work, who I marry, where I live, etc. etc. etc. Poppycock statement you made.

Uh.
The government would be deciding if you get treatment for a terminal illness that you could contract.
That is not putting your entire life into their hands.. how?

As for my taxes paying for medical care...who on earth do you think pays for it now? The Tooth Fairy???

Yes, I know that tax money - a lot of it - goes to healthcare. Imagine that, but about 5x worse and you get what I am talking about.

Do you sound like Captain Obvious? No, you sound like Captain Doesn't Know What He Is Talking About.

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Do you honestly think that I don't keep track of these types of things? I may not know as much about them as I do about computers, but I keep track of the debate from both sides. I watch everything that happens and I hear about everything that happens within 10 minutes of it happening. I keep track of it.

[Hellow]

He sounds like what he is (supposedly) A 13 yr old kid with a lot of time
on his hands.

A 14 year old high school freshman that is a official Ubuntu member, leads a Ubuntu team and is a member of ~17 others (And I have to attend the meetings for ALL OF THEM), plus real life which takes a ton of time on top.

Yeah, I totally have a lot of spare time.

[Lady's Human]

Uh.
The government would be deciding if you get treatment for a terminal illness that you could contract.
That is not putting your entire life into their hands.. how?

As opposed to a health insurance provider? I can get on the phone and speak with a congressional staffer about an issue in a few minutes........try that with a health insurance company.

I don't trust either one, and I haven't seen a version of HCR past the committee stage which includes single payer or government run insurance as an option....as a matter of fact the version which just made it out of committee did so solely because it did not contain such a provision.

Yes, I know that tax money - a lot of it - goes to healthcare. Imagine that, but about 5x worse and you get what I am talking about

But with some type of base health insurance mandatory you could knock off about $2k/year from the premiums for those of us who already have insurance (which goes to pay for those who don't have insurance, and all the unpaid hospital bills), and make insurance more affordable. Far more than just taxes go into health insurance and medical care payment. Look beyond Drudge, CNN et. al for a moment.

[Hellow]

As opposed to a health insurance provider? I can get on the phone and speak with a congressional staffer about an issue in a few minutes........try that with a health insurance company.

Then comes the issue of governmental corruption.

Either that or the self-reliant person in my is becoming paranoid over these things.

Far more than just taxes go into health insurance and medical care payment. Look beyond Drudge, CNN et. al for a moment.

Yes, but, taxes *are* the primary source of funding for these types of things.

And, I think I read that, in one of the HCR bills going through Congress, there was going to be a tax increase. I'm not sure how far that made it.

[Lady's Human]

Taxes are the primary funding for health care? Darnit, wait until I inform the contract negotiating team that our employer has been lying to them all these years.

[Hellow]

Taxes are the primary funding for health care? Darnit, wait until I inform the contract negotiating team that our employer has been lying to them all these years.

Huh?

I'm severely missing something here.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Yes, but, taxes *are* the primary source of funding for these types of things.

And, I think I read that, in one of the HCR bills going through Congress, there was going to be a tax increase. I'm not sure how far that made it.

You think you read.

How much of the cost of healthcare in the United States is paid by taxes and how much is paid by the insurance premiums paid by individuals and corporations on behalf of individuals.

You make a rather bold statement there - taxes are the primary source of funding.

Can you back it up?

Or is it something you *think* you read?

[Lady's Human]

Governmental corruption?


As opposed to Corporate corruption?

Governments and corporations are both made up of humans. Either type of entity is just as easily corrupted.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Governmental corruption?


As opposed to Corporate corruption?

Governments and corporations are both made up of humans. Either type of entity is just as easily corrupted.

Let's say AIG? Just as an example...

[Hellow]

By the way - it is not about deciding about whether you get treatment but whether whatever entity handles the money involved pays for it.

Yeah. Try getting a operation without paying for it.
Or, in this case, a liver transplant.

Important distinction. Just like the fact that a terminal illness is not anyone's entire life.

No, but it will be ending their life.

But then again - I tell myself you are just a kid - and one who should spend more time studying English and less time posting about things you don't understand.

Yes, just because I'm 14 I instantly don't understand the issue.

I have gotten utterly sick and tired of this kind of stereotyping of kids. I can and may understand the issue. I understand it's significance to the general public, but I feel that it's impacts on the rest of the population will outweigh its benefits and push our country into deeper poverty due to heightened taxes (which WILL happen, watch it). Although that can be countered by the burden of not having to individually pay for health insurance, for those that have it, which is not the majority.


Now, I have a meeting to plan that has to encompass half of the world's time zones. I'll be back in about two hours.