thank you and all the little ones and mom are doing really well huge contented tummys!!! All bar two are boys..
although i must say the providing a place to whelp was the biggest decision and after extracting her from the bottom of the haystack we decided safer to let her whelp in the bathroom closet not the bedroom as she wanted!!! or the hay or behind the boat all of which were too dangerous not that this occured to her!!!
thank you to all the words of wisdom