Is the President attempting to indoctrinate children?

[Miss Z]

What part of the red scare are you talking about?

The McCarthyism era, mainly. Trying to see 'evil' where there is none. The whole attitude of suspecting every new concept as disturbing and something to be avoided. The idea that those who step out of the ordinary way of things should be ratted on, and that they should withdraw their presence, or have their presence withdrawn, from everyone around them.

Maybe my comparison is extreme. It's just what I was reminded of.

[RICHARD]

The McCarthyism era, mainly. Trying to see 'evil' where there is none. The whole attitude of suspecting every new concept as disturbing and something to be avoided. The idea that those who step out of the ordinary way of things should be ratted on, and that they should withdraw their presence, or have their presence withdrawn, from everyone around them.

Maybe my comparison is extreme. It's just what I was reminded of.

"Mc Carthyism" was a witch hunt.

The "Red Scare" of Communism in places across the planet was a real threat to the countries that were subjected to invasion, coups and Communist influence on the govenerments.

The Mac Red Scare was just a pbunch of paranoid men, with good cause, to try and keep the idea of Communism from infesting our country.

Was it right? Nope. but it's the same freak out mode that most people have had against all polticians and their ideals.


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HCR is a known evil, we see it, feel it and pay for it. IT's not a cloud of smoke we cannot put our hands around and disappears after a few seconds, like the threat of Communism IN our country at that time was.


The boob in the WH wants to slap a coat of white wash over the shiat he'll use to patch the cracks in the system. It will work until the walls get washed or humid weather shows up. Then you get the experience of having sub-standard work done on your home.

Going back to the M era? That was the start of a more 'refined' view of who the Commies were and why we did need to be scared.

I think you also had a bit of the McCarthy song and dance in your country's history? I guess you can compare it to the Religion vs. Science debates the GB of yore sponsored?

Not too many winners in those days.

(P.S. Check out the Salem witch hunts.)

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I worked a few years in the HC industry and way to 'fix' the system is to reform the insurance/tort/malpractice industries.

Leave the actual 'service providers' alone until you fix the boat underneath them.

For the media and elected officials to portray the people who are against the prez' reform as radicals and working against any changes is a patently stupid and dishonest bunch of horse crap.

We want the reform also, but we want a more well thought out attempt at it.
Not some half hearted and ill formed patch work fix.

I venture to say we, as all good Americans are apt to do, don't care about Canadian or Brit HC, we want our own and we want it to be affordable.


Lastly, one of the members of the Dem Party doesn't want to take on the lawyers, who make money hand over fist taking cases where they want to suck millions out of the hospitals, insurance companies, drug manufacturers, medical supply companies and finally the doctors.

IT's amazing how intelligent the people who are behind the prez and his ideas for reform. It's also amazing that the basics of the HC industry can be overlooked. The reformers only see the surface of the pond.

Any trash, muck or potential 'health hazards' stay underwater away from any prying eyes. If you want to know what's underwater you have to roll up your pant legs and go a wading.

Obama is trying to impress upon people that he and they can walk across the pond and not have to worry about any of the crap under their feet.

[Grace]

Getting back to the President's address to school kids. I just read this -

The Florida Republican party chairman who last week accused the president of trying to “indoctrinate America’s children to his socialist agenda” now says he’ll let his children watch what he calls a “good speech,” one the president “should give.”

“It’s a good speech,” Florida GOP chairman Jim Greer said Monday. “It encourages kids to stay in school and the importance of education and I think that’s what a president should do when they’re gonna talk to students across the country.”

In a telephone interview as he headed to Tallahassee for a round of TV interviews ahead of tonight’s FSU-Miami football game, Greer said the White House made “changes” to teacher prep materials – and the speech itself – as a result of the political pressure he applied.

“The speech that’s out today is one that he should give, and I’m pleased to see that the White House has made changes to what was gonna happen.”

and this -

Former first lady Laura Bush is defending President Obama's decision to address the nation's school children, telling CNN Monday that it is "really important for everyone to respect the President of the United States."

"I think that there is a place for the President of the United States to talk to school children and encourage school children, and I think there are a lot of people that should do the same," she told CNN's Zain Verjee, in an interview set to air Monday on The Situation Room. "And that is encourage their own children to stay in school and to study hard and to try to achieve the dream that they have."

The former first lady said she believed criticism of the speech had arisen because of the accompanying lesson plans. If parents are opposed to the address, said Bush, "That's their right. You know that certainly is the right of parents to choose what they want their children to hear in school… (But) I think it's also really important for everyone to respect the President of the United States."

[Edwina's Secretary]

"Mc Carthyism" was a witch hunt.

The "Red Scare" of Communism in places across the planet was a real threat to the countries that were subjected to invasion, coups and Communist influence on the govenerments.

The Mac Red Scare was just a pbunch of paranoid men, with good cause, to try and keep the idea of Communism from infesting our country.

With good cause...never...have I ever heard good cause in the same sentence with the name of Joe McCarthy! Or that he was trying to keep the idea of Communism from infesting the US.

Communism had far more of a chance of catching on during the depression. McCarthy was a drunken baffoon who was trying to make a name for himself using cold war fears. Destroying people's lives.

Good cause indeed!

[Catty1]

I am gently suggesting - only suggesting - that when it comes to anything that might hint of Marxism, Communism or Socialism...many Americans get a case of PTSD, and with good reason.

All the "Socialist" etc countries had a dictatorship-like situation almost from the beginning of their history.

I don't believe it would ever take hold to such an extent in the U.S.A. It doesn't have the long history attached to it in America.

If this health bill is being rammed through without adequate reading, preparation and amendment, then yes, loud protest is needed. I don't think that is right.

Factual change is a good thing, I think; but protest due to a knee-jerk fear reaction because one perceives a possible shade of pink in the proceedings is scary.

JMO. I'm not there, so it's only MO.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I am gently suggesting - only suggesting - that when it comes to anything that might hint of Marxism, Communism or Socialism...many Americans get a case of PTSD, and with good reason.

All the "Socialist" etc countries had a dictatorship-like situation almost from the beginning of their history.

I don't believe it would ever take hold to such an extent in the U.S.A. It doesn't have the long history attached to it in America.
so it's only MO.

I cannot imagine what possible reason - good or bad - many Americans would have post traumatic stress about Marxism, Communism, or Socialism. The country had never been invaded by any of those or any dictatorship like situation.

I have been trying to remember if I have ever even MET a communist or marxist - best I can come up with is I suppose I did when visiting the nominally communist former Yugoslavia. And I suppose somewhere in my life I have met a socialist. But trauma??? Stress??

Not only is there not a long history of dictatorship, socialism, communist or marxism - there isn't any.

Are there people running around Canada suffering from Post Traumatic Stress because of communism, marxism or socialism?

[RICHARD]

I am gently suggesting - only suggesting - that when it comes to anything that might hint of Marxism, Communism or Socialism...many Americans get a case of PTSD, and with good reason.

If this health bill is being rammed through without adequate reading, preparation and amendment, then yes, loud protest is needed. I don't think that is right.

Factual change is a good thing, I think; but protest due to a knee-jerk fear reaction because one perceives a possible shade of pink in the proceedings is scary.

JMO. I'm not there, so it's only MO.

We ain't gonna turn turtle after 233 years of fighting off the jokers who do not like us.

The 'thing' the media and people do not realize is that we want HCR, we don't want the "Force it in/out" mentality.


The people who are enamoured of the prez and his wacky 'change' mentality do not realize the depth nor the scope of what the delivery of a sound, progressive, modern and cheap health care program is.

If you want to climb Mt Everest you have to start at the bottom and work your way up. BO wants to airlift everyone and everything to the top of the hill and let things trickle down.

Ah, Mister Prez?
Helicopters don't fly that high and you may be suffering from hypoxia.

It has nothing to do with knee jerk reactions.

It has to do with the citizens being given a chance to have a voice in the decision that the prez wants to make. That's it.

IT's the same with the "school talk" at the kids. I sure a shiat don't want some politician getting buddy buddy with my kids and whispering anything in their ears.

If you have small children ask you local reps if they would like to care for them for a few days. I trust them like I'd trust the moron who kidnapped the gal and held her for 18 years. They are worse than that type of criminal-Our politicians lie to our faces and say it's for our 'own good'.

If anyone questions what the prez is trying to 'push through', we are labeled as "racists" and "old crazy people".


So, If were are racist and crazy, that must mean the supporters of the regime in power right now are brainless fools -sheeple- who cannot and will not question any moves made by them.

No one knows what exactly is in the HCR/HIR bills, how they will affect the future of delivered HC in the future and how the costing will be affected, so for them to support something as ill-thought out as a Obama inspired reform?
They should be ready to accept the consequences of that bill and should be held responsible for it's failure.

I ONLY CARE ABOUT HOW THE HCR WILL AFFECT THE MASSES.
I don't care about Obama and his race, creed or family.

I just don't like the idea that this jerk wants to go over the heads or the people who object to his ideas and has his supporters trying to force it down my piehole.


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Watch how fast this paragraph is ignored.




IF you support BO's HCR take some money and put it into the bank.

I'll check in later with you. Should the bill fail and eff up the HC industry give me the money, If not, keep you money and laugh at me.

Show how much you believe in this clown show, put you money where your mouth is.


P.S. the fact that I am not betting on this? Should you win the bet and get to laugh at me, will it be enough to make it worth your while?

Don't just put faith in your party, Fund the action. Make a stand. Yes, you can-but how long can you?

God knows we could all use a rip-roaring shin dig?

[Edwina's Secretary]

The 'thing' the media and people do not realize is that we want HCR, we don't want the "Force it in/out" mentality.

The thing people don't realize is that we??? Now who would those people be who don't know what we want?

Gosh..."we" are you the Pope or the Queen of England. Because I sure don't remember electing you to represent me!