Politics and religion.

[Edwina's Secretary]

I know what I am. Opinionated, outspoken, lean liberal...sometimes obnoxious.

I don't pretend to be something I am not.

What I object to...is people who think it is okay for them to spout off and then act all offended when others do it. You know...live in glass houses?

And yes...I am talking to you.

I deleted the sewing machine thread becauses of your "villifying"...

[pomtzu]

You know...live in glass houses?

And the pot that calls the kettle black, and all the other quaint little sayings that have been around forever...........

So where is this thread going and what purpose does it serve anymore? All I see happening, is barbs being tossed, people getting pissed off, some valued members leaving the forum - and for what????

Frankly, and for what my opinion is worth, I would like to see political "debates and discussions", banned from PT. It seems no matter how civil these threads start out to be, they just go down the drain in no time at all. It's a shame that as adults, we can't set a better example for the younger members - and non members also - who are free to read all the mean-spirited things that transpire here. Quite the message that is going out for all the world to see, isn't it?

Last night before I logged off, I emailed a friend, and said I had my fill of PT nonsense for the day, and I was going to watch something soothing and relaxing on t.v. - like wild animals tearing each other apart on Animal Planet. It seems yesterday (and today) have been extra vicious here - those Animal Planet shows seem calm in comparision.

[Miss Z]

I know what I am. Opinionated, outspoken, lean liberal...sometimes obnoxious.

I don't pretend to be something I am not.

What I object to...is people who think it is okay for them to spout off and then act all offended when others do it. You know...live in glass houses?

Couldn't agree more.

Someone appreciates your posts, Sara.

Frankly, and for what my opinion is worth, I would like to see political "debates and discussions", banned from PT. It seems no matter how civil these threads start out to be, they just go down the drain in no time at all. It's a shame that as adults, we can't set a better example for the younger members

LOL, speaking as a younger member, it seems I must have been affected by threads like these, and look what's become of me.

Where there's politics, there's arguement. It's no surprise. Sometimes I take parts of this thread with a pinch of salt, but I do appreciate it's existence for the purpose of comparing different political systems, and I would be quite disappointed if threads like this were to become banned. Allow a young lady her cultural delights.

[blue]

In another attempt to drag this thread back on course.

Obama's 'green jobs' adviser Van Jones resigns amid controversy over past statements

By WILL LESTER
Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON (AP) -- President Barack Obama's adviser Van Jones has resigned amid controversy over past inflammatory statements, the White House said early Sunday.

Jones, an administration official specializing in environmentally friendly "green jobs" with the White House Council on Environmental Quality was linked to efforts suggesting a government role in the 2001 terror attacks and to derogatory comments about Republicans.

The resignation comes as Obama is working to regain his footing in the contentious health care debate.

Jones issued an apology on Thursday for his past statements. When asked the next day whether Obama still had confidence in him, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said only that Jones "continues to work in the administration."

The matter surfaced after news reports of a derogatory comment Jones made in the past about Republicans, and separately, of Jones' name appearing on a petition connected to the events surrounding the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks. That 2004 petition had asked for congressional hearings and other investigations into whether high-level government officials had allowed the attacks to occur.

"On the eve of historic fights for health care and clean energy, opponents of reform have mounted a vicious smear campaign against me," Jones said in his resignation statement. "They are using lies and distortions to distract and divide."

Jones said he has been "inundated with calls from across the political spectrum urging me to stay and fight."

But he said he cannot in good conscience ask his colleagues to spend time and energy defending or explaining his past.

Jones flatly said in an earlier statement that he did not agree with the petition's stand on the 9/11 attacks and that "it certainly does not reflect my views, now or ever."

As for his other comments he made before joining Obama's team, Jones said, "If I have offended anyone with statements I made in the past, I apologize."

Despite his apologies, Republicans demanded Jones quit.

Rep. Mike Pence of Indiana said in a statement, "His extremist views and coarse rhetoric have no place in this administration or the public debate." Missouri Sen. Christopher Bonds said Congress should investigate Jones's fitness the job.

Fox News Channel host Glenn Beck repeatedly denounced Jones after a group the adviser co-founded, ColorofChange.org, led an advertising boycott against Beck's show to protest his claim that Obama is a racist.

James Rucker, the organization's executive director, has said Jones had nothing to do with ColorofChange.org now and didn't even know about the campaign before it started.

Jones, well-known in the environmental movement, was a civil-rights activist in California before shifting his attention to environmental and energy issues. He is known for laying out a broad vision of a green economy.

Nancy Sutley chair of the council, said in a statement released early Sunday that she accepts Jones resignation and thanked him for his service.

"Over the last six months, he had been a strong voice for creating jobs that improve energy efficiency and utilize renewable resources," she said. "We appreciate his hard work and wish him the best moving forward."

[RICHARD]

Check out what the rev "right" said about HC reform....paraphrased here....


The right wing racists are unhappy that the poor people are getting help.

What a miserable POS.

[blue]

RICHARD, check out Pastor Manning on youtube.

[RICHARD]

RICHARD, check out Pastor Manning on youtube.

My head will explode.

I'll check it out.


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I have to laugh, A Cuh Lee Fuh Nee Ah (I have changed the spelling or the Great, Late, State of CA) THe Governator was up the street dealing with the fires and FF camp in the local park.....It's CUH not CAH, my apologis to all that care.) politician was caugh on tape talking about his sexcapades.


THis leads me to believe that only Republicans have carnal knowledge.

The Dems get bent out of shape when they hear about S-X and none of them have had to resign because of S-X? So, what does that tell us?


Take a day off and have fun with your SO. It may brighten your day and actually make you care about things.

[Grace]

A quote from back in July –

How is The President appointing all these "Czars", Constitutional?

It’s interesting when you know the real title of some of these so-called czars – and when the positions were originally created.

Energy Czar – Director of Federal Energy Adminstration.
Created in 1973 by President Nixon.
When he approached William Simon about the position, Nixon asked him – “Do you want to be my energy czar?”

Drug Czar – Director of the Office of National Drug Control Policy
Created in 1989 by President George H.W. Bush

Intelligence Czar – Director of National Intelligence
Created in 2005 by President George W. Bush

Aids Czar – Director of the Office of National Aids Policy
Created by President Clinton

Border Czar – Assistant Secretary for International Affairs and Special Representative for Border Affairs (Department of Homeland Security)
Created by President George W. Bush

Science Czar – Director of the White House Office of Science and Technology.
Created in 1976 by President Ford

Regulatory Czar – Administrator of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs.
Created in 1980 by President Reagan

[Edwina's Secretary]

I have to laugh, A Cuh Lee Fuh Nee Ah (I have changed the spelling or the Great, Late, State of CA) THe Governator was up the street dealing with the fires and FF camp in the local park.....It's CUH not CAH, my apologis to all that care.) politician was caugh on tape talking about his sexcapades.


THis leads me to believe that only Republicans have carnal knowledge.

The Dems get bent out of shape when they hear about S-X and none of them have had to resign because of S-X? So, what does that tell us?

well, well well. Guess who this guy is blaming...

If you need a translation of the above. A state politician was recorded telling in detail of the sex he had with a couple of female lobbyist. And I do mean details. All married of course if that matters.

He resigned.

But...not because he had sex with a couple of lobbyist. Not because he was taped recorded describing salacious details of his sex life.

Because you see...he didn't really have sex with them. He was just enjoying some story telling.

And his story telling had become a distraction.

And whose fault is all of this according to the story telling politician????

The Media of course!

The fallback of the failed...blame it on the media ...or the MSM if you are a code speaking failure!