Michael Jackson Dead

[blue]

blue, I agree with you.

Les Paul was an innovator, a genius, a creator. His performances were entertaining.

Jackson was an entertainer per se, and grew up in the generation that had a very different star-making machine.

It's a bit of an apple and orange comparison, IMO - Jackson, however fairly or otherwise - commanded worldwide attention and fandom.

Les Paul didn't need a dad to beat him into perfection - he was that already, innately. And I get the feeling he wouldn't have wanted the adulation and being a "star".

The Jackson kids - out-front entertainers, performers, with colour and glitz...like Elvis (who wrote half of one of his own songs). Different path.

A hybrid of the two paths might be found in the Beatles, where showmanship and creative talent both blended well and successfully.

Mr Paul gave us much more then MJ did. Also Mr Paul wasnt creepy.

The Beatles sucked, but thats a different thread.

[Daisy and Delilah]

The Beatles sucked??? OMG!! If I had time I would argue that one for myself. I loved the Beatles!!

I also agree with you, blue. MJ has been given more attention than 50 people put together. The media gathers around what people want to hear. Les Paul was a genius among us. I'm really sorry that Mr. Paul, and others, have not, and never will, get the attention that MJ has had.

You guys are awesome!! Thanks to everybody that explained this to me. We have some great people on this board.

I have often thought about this happening to me. The question that Richard quoted has not been an actual scenario for me but I have taken one pain pill before surgery when that wasn't instructed. Knowing how powerful anesthesia is, I was worried.

With what the doctor has admitted to doing and what Richard explained, it seems no stone has been unturned here and the doctor being charged may be warranted. I am shocked as to all the drugs he gave him and sat there and monitored him. Then it says he went to relieve himself only?? Shouldn't MJ have been showing signs of distress already? It sounds like the doctor was playing with fire. If MJ would have been relaxed enough, the first couple of pills should have knocked him out. That's a lot of drugs to give one skinny man.

Thanks for the affadavit, Candace. That's fantastic!!

[RICHARD]

I was amazed about MJ's height. Never knew he was around six foot tall.


One thing about drugs that are given to put people under for surgery? Some will depress a person's breathing and that is why a person is hooked up to monitors to check on respiratrions and heart rate.

Sounds like they were flying by wire when he gave MJ the drugs.
NO monitors or external ways to keep an eye on MJ if he was having problems breathing, so unless the doc was standing next to him, I doubt
he would have seen MJ in any distress.

I often see Edward asleep and have to really look at him to see if he is breathing!

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My take on the whole situation?

They had gone thru the process so many times is was nothing to them. I am amazed with the different drugs and how many times they were given, but to them it was as 'normal' as giving and taking aspirins.

We'll see what happens.

[sasvermont]

But homicide, I don't agree. Michael wanted these drugs. He was an addict. I think the doctor was in it for the money, although, I just read he was never paid.

Michael Jackson was a goof ball, for sure. He was also addicted to drugs - many drugs, as the reporting proves. He abused drugs. Plain and simple. So do many other folks and have their doctors been jailed?

We shall see what happens. I really don't think the administering doctor will go to jail - but will no longer practice medicine, if that's what you want to call it when you commit malpractice.

Oh, and by the way, if the good doctor does get put in jail, he seems to be broke anyway so the Jackson family will never see a dime if they do the civil suit thing. If you take away his ability to earn money, it surely seems TOTALLY unlikely they can recover damages.

Assuming the doctor had medical malpractice insurance - there could be some recovering! I bet the insurance policy has some clauses that may exclude criminal activity coverage.........

As the stomach turns.......

It is my opinion that Michael Jackson signed up for this and the doctor was sucked into the situation - for the money, of course. Isn't it always about money?

Ugh!

[Cinder & Smoke]

Michael wanted these drugs.
He was an addict.
I think the doctor was in it for the money,

It is my opinion that Michael Jackson signed up for this and
the doctor was sucked into the situation - for the money, of course.

Isn't it always about money?

Ugh!

Now THAT's a pretty good summary of the whole sorry mess!

[Asiel]

Michael was an addict for years so dying of some overdose isn't surprising. I was reading that he had been telling his close friends that he wanted to die, he didn't feel he could cope after the accusations of child molestation came out.
The only ones I can feel sorry for here are those poor kids - God help them if they fall into the hands of Joe Jackson. He's the real devil's advocate here and if not for him MJ might still be alive.

[Daisy and Delilah]

Yes, he did want the drugs. That makes a huge difference. As I said before, that's enough drugs to kill a horse. I can't imagine how many drugs MJ must have been doing over the years. He had built up such a tolerance.

Almost 6 feet tall? Wow. I had no idea. He looks so small on camera to me.


It will never cease to amaze me how much of the media has put all the blame on the doctor. They act like Micheal was an innocent victim?? It's bizarre.

[Daisy and Delilah]

I have another crazy question: Why didn't the doctor just start with the Propofol and forget the other mega doses of drugs? He knew the Propofol would knock him out. We will probably never know the answer to this question.

[kokopup]

I have another crazy question: Why didn't the doctor just start with the Propofol and forget the other mega doses of drugs? He knew the Propofol would knock him out. We will probably never know the answer to this question

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Apparently the doctor was trying to wean MJ off of the Propofol. He was not comfortable using this drug to induce sleep. The other drug cocktail was his way of getting away from the Propofol. His big mistake was not considering the other drugs, he had already given MJ when he realized they were not giving MJ the sleep he needed. The Propofol on top of the other drug cocktail would have been to much for anybody. The doctor was negligent by giving the Propofol after the other drugs were not effective.

[sasvermont]

I suspect we will never know the real answers about MJ.

Don't forget the guy ALSO had an eating disorder. He was underweight, at best, so the drugs he was given to sleep would impact differently than if he had been eating.... There are so many MAYBE's and WHAT IF's about him.

If I never hear another word about this, I would be happy. And here I am posting about it anyway! Go figure.

Rest in peace Michael. Rest in peace. Finally.

[Daisy and Delilah]

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Apparently the doctor was trying to wean MJ off of the Propofol. He was not comfortable using this drug to induce sleep. The other drug cocktail was his way of getting away from the Propofol. His big mistake was not considering the other drugs, he had already given MJ when he realized they were not giving MJ the sleep he needed. The Propofol on top of the other drug cocktail would have been to much for anybody. The doctor was negligent by giving the Propofol after the other drugs were not effective.

Thanks. This makes sense. I wonder if MJ was so demanding, he decided to give into him. Being a doctor and a professional, he should have known to stop and endure an argument, no matter what.

[pomtzu]

Being a doctor and a professional, he should have known to stop and endure an argument, no matter what.

And give up the promise of those big bucks?? I don't think so, since there would have been another unscrupulous doctor just waiting to take his place. It appears that he was just digging the grave a little deeper.

This doctor was a real quack from what is being reported. Supposedly he was making phone calls to try to destroy/cover up evidence, while MJ lay dead or dying, and it was about 45 minutes before 911 was ever called. If that's not a case of negligent homicide, then I don't know what is.

[Daisy and Delilah]

Was this guy so stupid he never thought he might go to jail? All the money in the world wouldn't help him--well, in some cases it might.

[pomtzu]

Was this guy so stupid he never thought he might go to jail? All the money in the world wouldn't help him--well, in some cases it might.

I kind of think it was his intention to keep MJ strung out as long as he possibly could, in order to reap the rewards that MJ would give to him - in the form of mega bucks for mega drugs. I seriously doubt that he ever meant to kill MJ intentionally, and panicked when he found MJ dead or dying. However, to make personal phone calls on his cell to try to cover up before ever calling 911, wasn't the brightest move. Maybe - just maybe - if he had summoned help first, that MJ might still be alive today. But I suppose that can only be speculation in light of how loaded he already was with all the drugs that had been administered over the course of a few short hours.

I sound like a real MJ fan - I'm not. I neither liked or disliked him, but have to give credit where credit is due - he was a performer like no other. Whether his personal life was what has been portrayed, I really have no idea. Somehow I feel it was grossly blown out of proportion. Yes - MJ was strange indeed, but..............he didn't need to die!