Michael Jackson Dead

[Catty1]

Les Paul was 94.

[blue]

Les Paul was 94.

Les Paul did more for the music industry and our music culture then MJ did hands down.

[Catty1]

D&D:

Attached is a copy of the search warrant affadavit. On p 9 you will find Dr Murray's description of how he administered drugs for the two nights leading up to Michael's death, removing Propofol from the mix. On the third night, the removal did not work (and he had given a lesser amount of the other drugs, if I recall correctly).

[Catty1]

blue, I agree with you.

Les Paul was an innovator, a genius, a creator. His performances were entertaining.

Jackson was an entertainer per se, and grew up in the generation that had a very different star-making machine.

It's a bit of an apple and orange comparison, IMO - Jackson, however fairly or otherwise - commanded worldwide attention and fandom.

Les Paul didn't need a dad to beat him into perfection - he was that already, innately. And I get the feeling he wouldn't have wanted the adulation and being a "star".

The Jackson kids - out-front entertainers, performers, with colour and glitz...like Elvis (who wrote half of one of his own songs). Different path.

A hybrid of the two paths might be found in the Beatles, where showmanship and creative talent both blended well and successfully.

[blue]

blue, I agree with you.

Les Paul was an innovator, a genius, a creator. His performances were entertaining.

Jackson was an entertainer per se, and grew up in the generation that had a very different star-making machine.

It's a bit of an apple and orange comparison, IMO - Jackson, however fairly or otherwise - commanded worldwide attention and fandom.

Les Paul didn't need a dad to beat him into perfection - he was that already, innately. And I get the feeling he wouldn't have wanted the adulation and being a "star".

The Jackson kids - out-front entertainers, performers, with colour and glitz...like Elvis (who wrote half of one of his own songs). Different path.

A hybrid of the two paths might be found in the Beatles, where showmanship and creative talent both blended well and successfully.

Mr Paul gave us much more then MJ did. Also Mr Paul wasnt creepy.

The Beatles sucked, but thats a different thread.

[Daisy and Delilah]

The Beatles sucked??? OMG!! If I had time I would argue that one for myself. I loved the Beatles!!

I also agree with you, blue. MJ has been given more attention than 50 people put together. The media gathers around what people want to hear. Les Paul was a genius among us. I'm really sorry that Mr. Paul, and others, have not, and never will, get the attention that MJ has had.

You guys are awesome!! Thanks to everybody that explained this to me. We have some great people on this board.

I have often thought about this happening to me. The question that Richard quoted has not been an actual scenario for me but I have taken one pain pill before surgery when that wasn't instructed. Knowing how powerful anesthesia is, I was worried.

With what the doctor has admitted to doing and what Richard explained, it seems no stone has been unturned here and the doctor being charged may be warranted. I am shocked as to all the drugs he gave him and sat there and monitored him. Then it says he went to relieve himself only?? Shouldn't MJ have been showing signs of distress already? It sounds like the doctor was playing with fire. If MJ would have been relaxed enough, the first couple of pills should have knocked him out. That's a lot of drugs to give one skinny man.

Thanks for the affadavit, Candace. That's fantastic!!

[RICHARD]

I was amazed about MJ's height. Never knew he was around six foot tall.


One thing about drugs that are given to put people under for surgery? Some will depress a person's breathing and that is why a person is hooked up to monitors to check on respiratrions and heart rate.

Sounds like they were flying by wire when he gave MJ the drugs.
NO monitors or external ways to keep an eye on MJ if he was having problems breathing, so unless the doc was standing next to him, I doubt
he would have seen MJ in any distress.

I often see Edward asleep and have to really look at him to see if he is breathing!

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My take on the whole situation?

They had gone thru the process so many times is was nothing to them. I am amazed with the different drugs and how many times they were given, but to them it was as 'normal' as giving and taking aspirins.

We'll see what happens.

[sasvermont]

But homicide, I don't agree. Michael wanted these drugs. He was an addict. I think the doctor was in it for the money, although, I just read he was never paid.

Michael Jackson was a goof ball, for sure. He was also addicted to drugs - many drugs, as the reporting proves. He abused drugs. Plain and simple. So do many other folks and have their doctors been jailed?

We shall see what happens. I really don't think the administering doctor will go to jail - but will no longer practice medicine, if that's what you want to call it when you commit malpractice.

Oh, and by the way, if the good doctor does get put in jail, he seems to be broke anyway so the Jackson family will never see a dime if they do the civil suit thing. If you take away his ability to earn money, it surely seems TOTALLY unlikely they can recover damages.

Assuming the doctor had medical malpractice insurance - there could be some recovering! I bet the insurance policy has some clauses that may exclude criminal activity coverage.........

As the stomach turns.......

It is my opinion that Michael Jackson signed up for this and the doctor was sucked into the situation - for the money, of course. Isn't it always about money?

Ugh!

[Daisy and Delilah]

I have another crazy question: Why didn't the doctor just start with the Propofol and forget the other mega doses of drugs? He knew the Propofol would knock him out. We will probably never know the answer to this question.

[kokopup]

I have another crazy question: Why didn't the doctor just start with the Propofol and forget the other mega doses of drugs? He knew the Propofol would knock him out. We will probably never know the answer to this question

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Apparently the doctor was trying to wean MJ off of the Propofol. He was not comfortable using this drug to induce sleep. The other drug cocktail was his way of getting away from the Propofol. His big mistake was not considering the other drugs, he had already given MJ when he realized they were not giving MJ the sleep he needed. The Propofol on top of the other drug cocktail would have been to much for anybody. The doctor was negligent by giving the Propofol after the other drugs were not effective.

[sasvermont]

I suspect we will never know the real answers about MJ.

Don't forget the guy ALSO had an eating disorder. He was underweight, at best, so the drugs he was given to sleep would impact differently than if he had been eating.... There are so many MAYBE's and WHAT IF's about him.

If I never hear another word about this, I would be happy. And here I am posting about it anyway! Go figure.

Rest in peace Michael. Rest in peace. Finally.

[Daisy and Delilah]

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Apparently the doctor was trying to wean MJ off of the Propofol. He was not comfortable using this drug to induce sleep. The other drug cocktail was his way of getting away from the Propofol. His big mistake was not considering the other drugs, he had already given MJ when he realized they were not giving MJ the sleep he needed. The Propofol on top of the other drug cocktail would have been to much for anybody. The doctor was negligent by giving the Propofol after the other drugs were not effective.

Thanks. This makes sense. I wonder if MJ was so demanding, he decided to give into him. Being a doctor and a professional, he should have known to stop and endure an argument, no matter what.