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    Quote Originally Posted by lizbud View Post
    They have banned smoking in your own car here in Indiana. In Monroe
    county (Bloomington,Ind.) a proposel to ban smoking in a car with kids
    under 13yrs old, passed and is now law in that county. I wouldn't have
    believed it, but it happened.

    http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=7164861
    Painter fined for smoking in van

    A painter and decorator says he is "dumbfounded" after a £30 fine for smoking a cigarette in his own van. Gordon Williams, of Llanafan, Aberystwyth, says he had popped to the shops when he was pulled over by Ceredigion council officials. "I was told that because my van is my place of work I had broken the smoking laws," he said.

    A council spokesman said Mr Williams had acknowledged the offence and elected to pay the fixed penalty.

    "I am dumbfounded - the van is only insured for private use and to get me to and from work," added Mr Williams, from Llanafan, near Aberystwyth. "It not my place of work - I decorate houses not vans."

    The grandfather decried the on-the-spot penalty as the "Big Brother state going too far". He added: "I respect anyone who chooses not to smoke, but I would also ask for the same respect to have the freedom to smoke in my own private vehicle."

    Mr Williams was driving on the A487 near Aberystwyth in his unmarked blue Suzuki Carrier van when he was pulled over by council officials carrying out spot checks on the safety of vehicles.

    He believes it is the first ticket of its kind handed out by the council since the smoking regulations came in last year - the fixed penalty notice was number 0001.

    He was on a shopping errand to pick up teabags for his wife when he was stopped. Mr Williams added: "I take the wife shopping in the van. It is my private vehicle as well as my work van."

    Mr Williams' wife Sue has already paid the fine, fearing it would increase if not settled promptly. But her husband remains defiant, and said he would be challenging the punishment. "I have appealed against this even though I initially paid the fine otherwise it would have increased to £50."

    Simon Clark, the director of smoking freedom group Forest, condemned the fine as "absolutely ridiculous".He said: "It smacks of some jobsworth council official interpreting the law to the most extreme level. This surely is not what the change in the law was intended for - it was not meant to harass and persecute people going about their ordinary lives. It is ridiculous that someone should be fined for smoking in their own private vehicle away from any workplace."

    A spokesman for Ceredigion council said Mr Williams's vehicle was stopped by police as part of a multi-agency operation.

    "A total of 56 vehicles were stopped and inspected during the initiative and, as a result, three fixed penalty notices were issued in connection with contraventions of the smoking in smoke-free places legislation," said the spokesman. "All three fixed penalties have been paid."

    "When stopped, both Mr Williams and his male passenger were found to be smoking. Based on information received from Mr Williams at the scene, fixed penalty notices were served on both persons. Both persons have now acknowledged the offences and elected to pay the fixed penalty rather than having the matter considered by the court."

    The spokesman added the matter was therefore considered to be closed and no record of criminal conviction would be recorded against the individuals concerned.

    A Welsh Assembly Government spokesman said: "The smoke-free regulations state that a vehicle shall be smoke-free if it is used for work by more than one person, regardless of whether they are in the vehicle at the same time, to protect everyone who uses the vehicle from the harmful effects of exposure to second-hand smoke, regardless of when they use the vehicle. Smoking is permitted in vehicles used for work purposes that are for the sole use of the driver and are not used as a workplace by anyone else, either as a driver or a passenger."

    Story from BBC NEWS:
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/h...es/7524526.stm

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    This is just the first step, wait till you see what comes next...... http://aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catlady711 View Post
    This is just the first step, wait till you see what comes next...... http://aclu.org/pizza/images/screen.swf
    Over the top maybe but, sadly, I can believe a watered down version could happen someday, maybe someday soon.

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    Due to the moderators having slightly more important things to deal with at the moment, I have a request.

    If you feel the need to insult, belittle or otherwise disrespect each other ,

    DO IT IN PM'S

    It is entirely possible to discuss politics without insults.

    Try it, you might actually enjoy it.
    The one eyed man in the kingdom of the blind wasn't king, he was stoned for seeing light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human View Post
    DO IT IN PM'S

    How ridiculous, How could I possibly PMS?


    ---------------

    Let me educate (as if I could teach anyone anything!) the masses.

    It Cah Lee Fuh Nee Ah, Californication or the Land of the Easily Amused.

    I have a prob with all my compadres y familia que estan aqui contra las leyes.....But until I run for office, I don't hold much hope from anything getting done.


    One thing that constantly amazes me is the the the desire for 'equal rights' for illegal aliens.

    For some people it's a PITA and the laws need to be enforced, until you need to have your lawn pulled or some construction work done and you are too effing cheap to get a contractor.

    So you drive over to Home Depot and pick up a few guys, pay them 10 bucks and hour and then panic when it comes to getting them lunch -proper etiquette deems that you serve drinks and toss out a few sandwiches- Don't do the "I'll get them some Taco Bell!" That is more insulting to us becuase we use real carne in our food....not some soy based BS that has never seen the inside of an abbatoir.


    As far as the spelling of Our Great State, who really cares? We are the butt of many jokes, we have learned to roll with it. We are too busy texting and tanning.

    In the last page of posts I have been named as a part to this thread.
    Yeah, I'm a American of Mex descent, Yes I have had relatives who's residence here is suspect (And I say to them, get legal! You cause too many problems when the man picks you up and the family freaks out!)

    As far as the Kalifornia mention-Also a movie with that brat pack actor----
    Books are great! Ray Bradbury made money off of burning them and in a pinch you can use them as firestarter or Toilet paper in a pinch.

    Oh, Karen.

    I do have to correct you. Hollywood and Lost Angeles are states........Of mind-it's one big goofy jumble of crazy people.......


    Now, All of you get off my cloud and let me go back to my novelas, tortillas Y carnitas.


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    Some people use the K to reference a communist state, the Communist State of Kalifornia. The movie is pretty good as well.

    For Mexifornia to be racist, Mexican, as in a resident of Mexico, would have to be a race. Have you never met a blond hair blue eyed Mexican? Next your going to tell me there are no black Mexicans. And before you try, I do not hate Mexicans or anybody else because of their country of origin.

    WC and UE as stated by others are not handouts regaurdless of who, employee or the employer, pays. They are earned benifit of employment.

    Back to the topic...

    In an effort to fund a childrens insurance program on the backs of smokers, the children are going to be the big losers here. People are going to quit and the black market sales of tobacco products are going to jump dramaticaly, both of which will decrease tax revenue.
    I have a HUGE SIG!!!!



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    Nothing New Under the Sun

    I read today in the new issue of TIME Magazine that the first tax on cigarettes was in 1864.

    I guess we'll have to blame it on Abraham Lincoln...

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