Politics and religion.

**lizbud** · 03-27-2009, 07:35 PM

Faith is the belief in things unseen,and unknowable.

I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.

**Marigold2** · 03-27-2009, 07:35 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

Faith is the belief in things unseen,and unknowable.

I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.

Agreed, 100%.

**Medusa** · 03-27-2009, 07:48 PM

To quote the King James version of the scripture: "Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen". - Hebrews 11:1 The Living Bible says it a bit differently: "Faith...is the certainty that what we hope for is waiting for us, even though we cannot see it up ahead".`

All we have is evidence. We don't have proof positive of a God or we wouldn't be having this discussion. We would all be in agreement. To say that we know absolutely would be arrogant because we don't really know. We do, however, have evidence, strong evidence of a supreme being. We can't see the wind but we can feel and see its effects. It would be foolish to deny the existence of the wind but how do we prove that it actually exists? We can't; we only have evidence by what it can do. We have faith, the evidence of things not seen.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 03-27-2009, 08:08 PM

As for virgin births: cloning is an example of a modern day version of it.

**Marigold2** · 03-28-2009, 08:34 PM

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

As for virgin births: cloning is an example of a modern day version of it.

Possible now but not 2000 years ago.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 03-29-2009, 01:01 PM

Originally Posted by Marigold2

Possible now but not 2000 years ago.

With God, all things are possible.

He's gazillions of times smarter than people. We just took this long to figure this much out. We may never know for sure how the virgin birth happened but then, we aren't supposed to know EVERYTHING. Our tiny brains would probably explode!

**Medusa** · 03-29-2009, 01:17 PM

If we aren't supposed to know we wouldn't have been told in the first place. IMO, accepting something as fact w/out question isn't faith, it's gullibility. Also, IMO, God wants us to investigate further; that's how we learn and build our faith.

**RICHARD** · 03-27-2009, 09:59 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

Faith is the belief in things unseen,and unknowable.

I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.

Twitter us when you get there/find out, Please?

I am sorry and it's not meant to be mean spirited or anything like that! I just had this funny idea that maybe you could let us in on what to expect! It's ven more funny because I choose not to own a phone, so I'll be the last to know.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 03-28-2009, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

Twitter us when you get there/find out, Please?

I am sorry and it's not meant to be mean spirited or anything like that! I just had this funny idea that maybe you could let us in on what to expect! It's ven more funny because I choose not to own a phone, so I'll be the last to know.

Richard you are SO funny!!!

First off, why do you think she will cross over before you do?

Plus, you don't twitter on the phone, you twitter on a computer. Right?

**RICHARD** · 03-28-2009, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

Richard you are SO funny!!!

First off, why do you think she will cross over before you do?

Plus, you don't twitter on the phone, you twitter on a computer. Right?

WTF do I know?

I am living to be 200 anyway.......

**Edwina's Secretary** · 03-28-2009, 02:46 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

I would rather believe in God (heaven & all the rest), than not believe,
die and find out how wrong I was.

One of my favorite conundrums...who will be more disappointed - those who believe in life after death or those who don't?

I was interviewing a candidate for a sales job - on the phone. He tells me he likes to discuss scriptures with clients. He tells me a story of falling on his kness in the men's room for advice on a difficult sale.

I was uncomfortable. I don't care - Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Wiccan, none of the above...I don't think that kind of conversation belongs in the workplace. ESPECIALLY when you do not know the affliation of the person with whom you are speaking.

**lizbud** · 03-28-2009, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Edwina's Secretary

I was interviewing a candidate for a sales job - on the phone. He tells me he likes to discuss scriptures with clients. He tells me a story of falling on his kness in the men's room for advice on a difficult sale.

Don't tell me,,, he didn't get the job, right?

TMI fella.

**RICHARD** · 03-28-2009, 07:21 PM

I had the most interestingly attack of silliness when I heard this phrase on the tube.

"You will be defeated."

Now if I remember correctly, another person made a comment that was something like, "Bring it on!" and people fainted in the streets, toddlers cried, animals attacked humans and the end of the world was nigh!

So, here we go again....People challenging terrorists! One guy asks for the challenge and the other makes it a point to say that they will get whupped!

Does anyone know if there is lead paint or asbestos in the Oval Office and how quickly would it affect anyone working there?