Are your dogs vicious or nice?

[buttercup132]

I think that says something about your role as an owner as well

She also said that Karen and since she didn't agree with what I said I can only assume she ment that I wouldn't be what she classed a good owner.

[Flatcoatluver]

RipplingWaves55, I will ask how do you excersize your dogs? You said in another thread that you can't walk them because they are vicious. Which means you can not take them to public places to excersize. Do they just stay in there kennel all day, on the chain that I see attached to the dogs in some of the pictures? I'm not trying to start anything, but the pictures I have seen, I just feel awful for the dogs. Like Alecia mentioned they are heelers, and that breed needs so much mental and physical activity.

[RipplingWaves55]

RipplingWaves55, I will ask how do you excersize your dogs? You said in another thread that you can't walk them because they are vicious. Which means you can not take them to public places to excersize. Do they just stay in there kennel all day, on the chain that I see attached to the dogs in some of the pictures? I'm not trying to start anything, but the pictures I have seen, I just feel awful for the dogs. Like Alecia mentioned they are heelers, and that breed needs so much mental and physical activity.

They get toys, and treats. They get switched off, there's wild animals here and if they get off they will get hurt. They get exercise. We walk them when I'm off from work.

[Daisy and Delilah]

What will you do if they hurt someone or somebody in your family? What will you do if they kill somebody?

I was coming back to post on this thread again to say I thought it was trollish. Now....I hear this and I'm flabbergasted!! I really thought that no one would post this unless they were trying to start something.

I'm dead serious here: Something needs to be done with your dogs right away or you may be sorry. It could be worse than you can imagine.

[Flatcoatluver]

They get toys, and treats. They get switched off, there's wild animals here and if they get off they will get hurt. They get exercise. We walk them when I'm off from work.

I'm not saying let your dogs run free, in fact that causes serious problems when people let there dogs roam. I'm just asking if they get mental and physical activity. Being that they are herding breeds they not only need a lot of physical activity, like running off leash. They also need a lot of mental activitys, like each dog having a training session at least 20 mins a day. All the exercise in the world won't make some dogs tired, but they need a lot of metal stimulation. Being in that kennel and then let out for a walk is NOT ENOUGH.

Also to add dogs don't know the difference between a family friend or a stranger. I think it's so wrong to teach a dog to be a "guard dog." If a dog need to be protective, they will naturally be protective. My flat-coat is a therapy dog and she would never hurt anyone. One day someone tried to hurt me and she stepped in between me and that person and protected me. Not because I taught her to, but because she sensed that I was in trouble and sensed that I was scared. Dogs are natural protecters and can feel fear.

[k9krazee]

She also said that Karen and since she didn't agree with what I said I can only assume she ment that I wouldn't be what she classed a good owner.

Alicia, I meant exactly what Karen clarified. Just meant there are more options than euthanasia. "It says something about your role as an owner" whether you are going to step up to the plate and do everything you can do for that dog or are going to put it down "no ifs ands or buts". I'm not saying your a bad owner by any means, I really have no right to judge that.

[buttercup132]

Alicia, I meant exactly what Karen clarified. Just meant there are more options than euthanasia. "It says something about your role as an owner" whether you are going to step up to the plate and do everything you can do for that dog or are going to put it down "no ifs ands or buts". I'm not saying your a bad owner by any means, I really have no right to judge that.

So now I'm asking you instead of assuming you would keep a vicious dog.
Would you keep a dog that attacked someone unprovoked and was HA?
Would you be ok with yourself if that dog got out and attacked someone?

[K9soul]

A think a lot of problem here is people seem to have different and varying ideas of what "vicious" means in their mind. The OP seemed to think it was as simple as barking at strangers whereas other people seem to think of it as a raging dog that will attack to kill without provocation.

[k9krazee]

So now I'm asking you instead of assuming you would keep a vicious dog.
Would you keep a dog that attacked someone unprovoked and was HA?
Would you be ok with yourself if that dog got out and attacked someone?

Ugh. I don't want to play this game. Forget I ever said anything. You are 110% correct in your line of thinking. I was wrong for ever questioning your logic at all. There are no other options than euthanasia, silly me for ever thinking that there might possibly be.

[*LabLoverKEB*]

I almost cannot believe what I am reading here. You don't sound like a good dog owner, in my opinion. Yoiu give your dogs pizza, noodles, and chicken? You shouldn't be feeding your dogs this. They should be fed a high-quality kibble.

[snowbelle15]

I know I'm a little late at posting about this, but RipplingWaves, if your still here please read this.

It's not good at all to feed your dogs pizza, noodles, and chicken. It can shorten their life span and hurt their health. This stuff to a dog is like smoking to us. It hurts them. Also, why would you want to train your dogs to be 'viscous.' If you play with them and care for them, they will protect you. You don't have to train them to be a guard dog. If your dogs do attack someone, they could get put down and we all know that you don't want that. So please, get your dogs a trainer and work with them for good behavior. And no table food for them either!

[king2005]

I almost cannot believe what I am reading here. You don't sound like a good dog owner, in my opinion. Yoiu give your dogs pizza, noodles, and chicken? You shouldn't be feeding your dogs this. They should be fed a high-quality kibble.

I agree & disagree at the same time.

Yes Pizza & noodles is not dog food.
Is Pasta harmful in treat form? <-I really don't know this answer

Chicken? Why is chicken bad for dogs?
Is it just chicken or all fowl your talking about? why?

[buttercup132]

I agree & disagree at the same time.

Yes Pizza & noodles is not dog food.
Is Pasta harmful in treat form? <-I really don't know this answer

Chicken? Why is chicken bad for dogs?
Is it just chicken or all fowl your talking about? why?

She's probly feeding already cooked chicken, which isn't really good for them.
Pasta, why even bother? Why can't you just stick to dog food and healthy treats/bones?
Any human food like that isn't good for dogs..

[pomtzu]

Pizza and noodles as a steady diet doesn't sound too healthy, and it all depends how the chicken is cooked I would imagine. Fried chicken - no, but nothing wrong with roasted, baked, or boiled chicken.
When we have pizza, my guys get a treat of pizza crust which they love - but only a few small pieces each. When I have plain leftover noodles or pasta, I will chop some up in with their regular food, but again, not a steady diet of it. They also sometimes get leftover veggies (not all kinds), and leftover meats mixed with their regular food, since it's rather senseless to throw it out.
RW55 also said in a previous thread that she didn't walk her dogs in the neighborhood because they are vicious. Looks like they spend their lives in a pen. How sad!
My 2 little dogs are the best watch dogs I could want. No one gets around the house without them letting me know about it - they are both just natural little barkers - and far from vicious!

[Taz_Zoee]

I agree & disagree at the same time.

Yes Pizza & noodles is not dog food.
Is Pasta harmful in treat form? <-I really don't know this answer

Chicken? Why is chicken bad for dogs?
Is it just chicken or all fowl your talking about? why?

I'm going to guess and say that what she means is the OP is probably giving the dogs table scraps. Which would be seasoned with all kinds of things for human taste. Regular chicken, or raw isn't bad. At least I think.
And I have no idea about noodles. All I know is my dogs do not get any human food (on purpose, they do scavenge off the floor if we aren't quick enough to pick it up). The only human food they ever get is carrots and cheese if they need meds. I got into a huge fight with a friend of Bruce's because he was giving my dogs (and one of my guests dogs) meat as he was cooking it.
Others already said the same thing I did (it took me too long to post this). But I also have a "guard" dog, not by choice. Zoee barks at anything that moves in our court. LOL But she's not "vicious". You might think she is at first with how she acts though.

Well, all I can hope from this entire thread is that something gets through to the OP. This is the best place to learn things like this. I have learned so much on this forum....that's why I love it here.