Are your dogs vicious or nice?

[kokopup]

Koko is sugar and spice and everything nice. She loves everybody and
almost without exception every dog. The only time I have seen Koko show any agression was once when I was being attacked by a Pit Bull. She came to my defense and chased the Pit Bull from our yard with his tail between his legs. Other than that one time I have not even seen her
retaliate at other dogs that have shown aggression toward her. Today
was a good example. We were walking in a community near us and normally encounter other dogs and they just sniff and go on. Today as we approached a couple with a small dog it came at Koko snarling and jumping. Koko just walked on by without even responding in any way. This little fellow obviously had an inferiority complex and lacked any social skills.

[buttercup132]

Sorry but I have to come back to this thread...

ACD's are starting to get a bad rap and have been for a few years.
With people like you not putting in the time and effort to train them they are going to end up like pitbulls/shepherds/dobes etc and be put on the dangerous dog list and could eventually be banned from certain places.

They are a breed that needs a special person to train them right and raise them properly.
They aren't your average run of the mill mutt that you can just throw outside (as I remember from lurking your dogs live outside).
These are a working breed, a breed that nips, a breed who can have dominant tendencies, they are a breed that needs to be shown what to do and what isn't acceptable.
You have failed miserably at doing that.

I hope you enjoy ruining the breed.

[caseysmom]

Thats a great way to try to educate someone

[chocolatepuppy]

Oh my, what a thread! I have to agree with a few others, bragging that your dogs are vicious is NOT funny. I would not want a vicious dog. I train and socialize my dogs to be friendly, nothing else is acceptable.
Dogs don't have to be vicious to warn, protect or defend you, most of them do it naturally.

[k9krazee]

*slaps forehead* Nice thread...

To the OP:
Your dogs are vicious? Could it be because
A) It's genetic. They're all related and all mean. Go figure.
B) They live in the backyard with no socialization?
C) They're Intact?
D) No formal training?

I don't understand the point of this thread. Most people don't take pride in knowing they have aggressive dogs. I have a mean dog, but I try not to publically advertise it (often). My advice would to be spay or neuter your dogs and work on training and socialization..

To Alicia:
You would euthanize a human aggressive dog with no ifs ands or buts? I think that says something about your role as an owner as well. There are ways to deal with and work with aggressive dogs. The solution does not always have to be euthanasia. :/

[Lori Jordan]

None of my dogs are "Vicious",Lacy gets a little tempermental with Molly,as Molly does her.It has calmed dowm tremendously since we had the behaviorlist in.

I can honestly say i could leave my dogs in a room with strangers,And i would be able to walk away knowing nothing would happen.Now they bark if someone pulls into the driveway or Knocks on the door..But what dog doesn't?

And if there is owners on here that have dogs that don't make a noise,It must be nice not to have a musical quior when visitors show up.

Just the other day we had friends over that have to small girls ages 3-1..The baby tripped over her feet and landed right on Maggy..She just looked at the young girl..Like are you ok?!?!..I would not want any less from any of my girls.


Agressive Dogs can be a danger,Not only to you but the public,I think some classes and socialization is in need.

All the Best.

[buttercup132]

You would euthanize a human aggressive dog with no ifs ands or buts? I think that says something about your role as an owner as well. There are ways to deal with and work with aggressive dogs. The solution does not always have to be euthanasia.

If my dog went and attacked someone for no reason um ya it would be gone.
If my dog was going after every person it saw other then me, ya it would be gone. I wouldn't have a dog that could cause damage any given second and be a liabilitly.
Why would anyone want that?
Why would I want a dog that I would be afraid to own in fear that if it ever got loose it would hurt someone?

[Glacier]

I certainly wouldn't be advertising it on the 'net if I had vicious dogs! When they bite someone, and from your own description that's only a matter of time, you just publicly admitted you know they are aggressive. Oh, the fun a lawyer would have with that!

I do have a dog who is deemed dangerous under our local animal control by-law. The reality is Mac is a sweet, gentle, timid dog who is not good with small children. He is fine with anyone over about 4 feet tall! He's never bitten; he knocked a kid over on the trail and tugged on the hood of his snowsuit, no contact with the kid's body. No intent to injure. He was playing--totally inappropriate play, but that's what it was in his mind. That's enough for a dangerous dog designation here. I fought for weeks to save Mac's life and he now lives a very restricted life compared to his life before that incident.

Keeping a dog deemed dangerous, even one like Mac who isn't really dangerous, is difficult, expensive, time-consuming and a constant worry. I need special insurance, signage on every entrance to my property(which makes me laugh, try to figure out which dog out of the 26 you are supposed to beware of; I'll guarentee if you were standing at my gate, you wouldn't pick Mac as a dangerous dog!); strict fencing requirements; Mac can never be off-leash anywhere ever again; he must be muzzled when off my property and on a leash no more than 4 feet long(try to exercise a young husky with those restrictions!). ANY complaint about Mac ever again will lead to his death...no questions asked; AC just takes him and kills him.

I don't have children, have no plans to have children and can restrict Mac so he never has access to children again. If I didn't have the resources to do that, I would have to put him down. If I thought for a second that Mac actually intended to injure that child, that he was truly showing aggression, he would be dead. I would have put him down that day without hesitation, with a shattered heart, but he would be gone.

[Alysser]

Sassy was never what I deemed vicious, if you ticked her off or did something she really didn't like she would nip, but never to the point where I couldn't handle her and she was lunging at the leash.

For the record, volunteering at a shelter, I've seen vicious animals like fighting pits and things along that nature, but they were not vicious to a point where they could not go for walks or have no outside human contact! If that's true then I really don't know what to think..o_o.

I'm speechless. Almost ...

In an earlier comment, it was mentioned that a certain post was not a good way to educate someone. After reading this completely arrogant, ignorant post above, does anyone honestly believe this person is seeking education or is in any way open to any education? I do not. And this is not the first instant of this same attitude by this OP.

RW, When your dogs attack someone, they will be euthanized. It matters not a bit if the person came onto your property with or without your permission, when you were or were not home. If you knowingly keep vicious dogs, they will be killed and you will be liable.

A dog does not generally have to be trained to bark when a stranger approaches. That is a dog's nature. Most dogs have to be trained not to do it. This behavior, I do not think, is all you are talking about at all. You are quite proud of your vicious dogs, that YOU trained, that YOU want to do that. When your dogs maul someone, and are euthanized, will YOU still be so proud of YOUR "training" then?

How terribly sad. Always the dogs that pay the price for the owner's issues.

You hit the nail on the head.

[luvofallhorses]

Thats a great way to try to educate someone

no kidding!

All of my dogs are sweet with people. Buster is just fearful of new people but he doesn't act out aggressively. Rocky and Jenny loved ALL people!

[buttercup132]

I think that says something about your role as an owner as well

She also said that Karen and since she didn't agree with what I said I can only assume she ment that I wouldn't be what she classed a good owner.

[Flatcoatluver]

RipplingWaves55, I will ask how do you excersize your dogs? You said in another thread that you can't walk them because they are vicious. Which means you can not take them to public places to excersize. Do they just stay in there kennel all day, on the chain that I see attached to the dogs in some of the pictures? I'm not trying to start anything, but the pictures I have seen, I just feel awful for the dogs. Like Alecia mentioned they are heelers, and that breed needs so much mental and physical activity.

[RipplingWaves55]

RipplingWaves55, I will ask how do you excersize your dogs? You said in another thread that you can't walk them because they are vicious. Which means you can not take them to public places to excersize. Do they just stay in there kennel all day, on the chain that I see attached to the dogs in some of the pictures? I'm not trying to start anything, but the pictures I have seen, I just feel awful for the dogs. Like Alecia mentioned they are heelers, and that breed needs so much mental and physical activity.

They get toys, and treats. They get switched off, there's wild animals here and if they get off they will get hurt. They get exercise. We walk them when I'm off from work.

[k9krazee]

She also said that Karen and since she didn't agree with what I said I can only assume she ment that I wouldn't be what she classed a good owner.

Alicia, I meant exactly what Karen clarified. Just meant there are more options than euthanasia. "It says something about your role as an owner" whether you are going to step up to the plate and do everything you can do for that dog or are going to put it down "no ifs ands or buts". I'm not saying your a bad owner by any means, I really have no right to judge that.

[buttercup132]

Alicia, I meant exactly what Karen clarified. Just meant there are more options than euthanasia. "It says something about your role as an owner" whether you are going to step up to the plate and do everything you can do for that dog or are going to put it down "no ifs ands or buts". I'm not saying your a bad owner by any means, I really have no right to judge that.

So now I'm asking you instead of assuming you would keep a vicious dog.
Would you keep a dog that attacked someone unprovoked and was HA?
Would you be ok with yourself if that dog got out and attacked someone?