Diane Sawyer - Appalachian Special

**Daisy and Delilah** · 02-17-2009, 04:35 PM

Originally Posted by Pam

Now be careful Terry. Let's not have Richard getting a big head!

Laughing out loud, Pam!!!

You're right. I seem to be complimenting Richard all the time. I need to pull in the reins so his head doesn't explode.

**Hellow** · 02-17-2009, 04:43 PM

I live in this area. I see stuff like this all the time. But this show makes us all look like hicks that have absolutely no money, no electricity, no water, and basically make it look like the 1800s. Its not like that. There is barely anyone like how I described anymore, unless they are homeless. Things have gotten more modern around here, if the locals like it or not. They badly need to correct this show.

**Daisy and Delilah** · 02-17-2009, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by Reggie

I live in this area. I see stuff like this all the time. But this show makes us all look like hicks that have absolutely no money, no electricity, no water, and basically make it look like the 1800s. Its not like that. There is barely anyone like how I described anymore, unless they are homeless. Things have gotten more modern around here, if the locals like it or not. They badly need to correct this show.

There have been changes since I lived there. Modern conveniences were available but not necessarily used. I remember it was a big thrill to go to Hardee's for a pork biscuit and a soda. I know it's not quite like that now.

Reggie, can you explain why the show made you feel like you were all stereotyped? Did the disclaimers not clarify the difference in the regions?
I'm just curious to know exactly why so many people of the area feel the way you do.

**kokopup** · 02-17-2009, 05:26 PM

Reggie I agree that Georgia is no longer that way and neither is Alabama. Actually Appalachia in both states is where some of the more affluent live. There are pockets in West Virginia, kentucky, And Tennessee near where they all come together that still live this way. It is not wide spread but it is still there. This is centered where coal mining use to be king and when it moved out or cut back the people stayed on in poverty. 20/20 did not show the region fairly because they made this appear widespread. Appalachia covers a lot of territory that is now very
prosperous.

**cassiesmom** · 02-24-2009, 10:13 AM

I didn't see it; does anyone know if it will be on again? Maybe it is on the ABC News site, I will look later.

**Daisy and Delilah** · 02-24-2009, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by cassiesmom

I didn't see it; does anyone know if it will be on again? Maybe it is on the ABC News site, I will look later.

Elyse, I think they're still running it on their website.

**RICHARD** · 02-17-2009, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by Daisy and Delilah

Laughing out loud, Pam!!!

You're right. I seem to be complimenting Richard all the time. I need to pull in the reins so his head doesn't explode.

Lovely,

I can't get out of the room now!

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I watched the Home Makeover show and my 'cynical' side made me stop.

Of the wonderous things we have to offer the 'next gen', why does it all have to revolve around all the latest toys and crap like that?

I wanted my own bedroom with a desk so I could study.
I did want the 8 dollar AM/FM radio so I could listen to music on my own.
I never went to any school functions-prom or dances because I knew the financial restraints my parents had on them. I am not bitter or angry about any of that. They stressed school and go out and earn what you want.

Now we have a social situation where we hand people things that they should have earned or be pushed to earn.

One question I have is regarding the taxation of the people in these areas.

They don't have much, so that leads me to think that since they have such a poor lifestyle, that they must not pay much in taxes-therefore the poverty they endure.

I don't complain about taxes because every year we seem to get less, but isn't it better than what other have? That's the reason I have a problem with the whiners that complain about paying them. I appreciate the sewer line, the trash pickups and the street maintenance. I don't have the kidneys to bounce around a rutted dirt road.

Soooo, I have a problem when people (TV shows) go into a home and completely raze it, then give people more than they need to live-Oh, I like the fact that some couple who have 5 kids at home raise the other 4 kids when a set of parents are killed or give them away.....That makes me have hope for the planet.....But I really think that a 8 bedroom house with internet and HDTV in each room, the swimming pool for the dog and a 50,000 dollar kitchen is way too kind for people that just need 'enough'.

They come home from Disneyland and get the "move that bus" ceremony and we have people going outdoors in 20 degree weather to take a dump?

God, I even want to scream when I think of all the young women who have to take care of their 'monthly needs' is conditions like that. Wow,now my head hurts.

There is plenty of blame to go around and we just have to accept OUR part of it and try to get things moving.

Change?

I hope so.

**Hellow** · 02-17-2009, 05:44 PM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

Soooo, I have a problem when people (TV shows) go into a home and completely raze it, then give people more than they need to live-Oh, I like the fact that some couple who have 5 kids at home raise the other 4 kids when a set of parents are killed or give them away.....That makes me have hope for the planet.....But I really think that a 8 bedroom house with internet and HDTV in each room, the swimming pool for the dog and a 50,000 dollar kitchen is way too kind for people that just need 'enough'.

They come home from Disneyland and get the "move that bus" ceremony and we have people going outdoors in 20 degree weather to take a dump?

Well, it is a good break for people who have had a far harder life than the vast majority of us, including me. I've seen some of the poverty that they described in this show, and it is pretty bad, but rare.

P.S.: Why do you never come on AIM?

**zippy-kat** · 02-17-2009, 08:03 PM

My parents and I are from WV. A small "hick" place, if you will. My paternal grandparents owned a farm, sold black angus cattle. My grandmother was a post master and ran a small(!) gas station/post office/general store. My grandfather worked in the coal mines, died of black lung before I was born.

My mom's family had a small farm (they didn't sell anything, ate what they raised). Her Dad was a carpenter/black smith, her mom was a homemaker who tended foster children. The house was built mid 1800s and operated as a hotel from ?-? (I forget the dates). When the state road started building the hwy, they had to tear down the stable/carriage house that boarders "parked" in. LOTS of sentimental value on that land. My grandpa was born in the house and lived there until approximately 3yrs before his death; running water and plumbing were never installed.

Neither family was wealthy but you'd never find a more manicured lawn, inviting house, or welcoming arms. Poor doesn't necessarily mean dirty nor a lack in pride of ownership. It ticks me off the way it's portrayed.

Another thing that kinda ticks me off is when people try to equate poor with high crime. I can't recall the radio show (it's been years now) but someone brought up that the poorest community (at the time) was located in WV (I don't remember the county name). In this county, there was only ONE case of person-shooting/killing-person and that was actually ruled a hunting accident.

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We moved out of state when I was 2 (my dad chose work over welfare). This was in the early 80s. The neighboring county was holding Grand Dragon elections.

My parents have friends that still work in the mines. They knew people *in* the 2006 Sago mine collapse. (They also know people who worked at Sago during the collapse that now work at a different mine.)

So, yes, I know these places exist. I've seen it and lived it (although the only thing I remember is from vacations), but don't necessarily agree/understand it. Tradition is a comfort but why wouldn't you continually try to better yourself FOR yourself, and if not for yourself then for the sake of your family.

**Pam** · 02-21-2009, 06:50 AM

There was a small update on Appalachia last night. Did anyone see it? I watched the entire 20/20 (OK I admit I was dozing off a little...

) but they did do a bit of a follow-up right at the end of the program. The boy who plays football is back in college, Angel is getting dentures and lots of other good things and donations have been sent in by viewers. I imagine there will be more following up in the months ahead. I hope this is a turning point for the whole community.

**Medusa** · 02-21-2009, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by Pam

I hope this is a turning point for the whole community.

One can only hope. IMO, though, it's going to take more than charity to get this community on its feet. It's going to take education and access to assistance for that education and w/building programs, etc.

**Daisy and Delilah** · 02-21-2009, 09:12 AM

Thanks Pam. I'm so glad to hear that. I was going to watch 20/20 but I got busy and didn't. It makes me so happy to know that the show let everybody know what was going on there.

I really think the huge response and the intervention from ABC might shake up awarenesss about the situation in Appalachia. Maybe things will continue to improve from that alone.