Ms. Pelosi, Meet A,B,C,D,E,F,G and H!

[blue]

You betcha! Arrogance, lack of compassion, hubris, misogyny...have that affect on me. And when they are all together in one post....

I forgot ignorance!

Why is it I get the feeling if Richards name was Richardina you would have agreed with her posts?

I have a theory about men with guns but that is for another thread...

Im sure your theory is as insulting, belittleing and degrading as the rest of your theories and opinions of others who dissagree with you.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Why is it I get the feeling if Richards name was Richardina you would have agreed with her posts?



Im sure your theory is as insulting, belittleing and degrading as the rest of your theories and opinions of others who dissagree with you.

How droll....

Give it a try Blue. Post that this couple who chose to use invitro after their three children were killed made a choice that was right for them and NOT a sick replacement child thing. See if I agree with you? ;-)

[blue]

I missed this one.

How droll....

Give it a try Blue. Post that this couple who chose to use invitro after their three children were killed made a choice that was right for them and NOT a sick replacement child thing. See if I agree with you? ;-)

Droll?

If a couple who just lost their three kids, uses invitro to have 3 more kids, as tragic as the situation may be, without any other knowlege of the family history, I would call that replacing the three dead children.

I didnt call it sick, in fact I could allmost maybe understand the reasoning behind it, but I would still call it replacement.

Even if you ever even remotely agreed with me on anything, I doubt you would admit to it.

ETA: I could even see a dad who just lost his three children push his wife to have invitro to replace the kids he tragicaly lost.

[pomtzu]

I missed this one.





If a couple who just lost their three kids, uses invitro to have 3 more kids, as tragic as the situation may be, without any other knowlege of the family history, I would call that replacing the three dead children.

I didnt call it sick, in fact I could allmost maybe understand the reasoning behind it, but I would still call it replacement.



ETA: I could even see a dad who just lost his three children push his wife to have invitro to replace the kids he tragicaly lost.

That's idotic - blu. I know for sure that you don't have any kids, the same as Richard! You CAN'T EVER replace a child that has been lost.

[Medusa]

You CAN'T EVER replace a child that has been lost.

In actuality, that is true. However, there are people who believe that you can. When I was first married, my husband and I went to our family dr. for complete physicals. When the dr. heard that I was on birth control and was considering having my tubes tied, he said "You should reconsider. If something should happen to your son, (this was my second marriage) God forbid, you'll want to have more children". I said "No, I wouldn't. I'd be too heartbroken. Besides, you can't replace children like cattle". He said "You would change your mind and then it would be too late". However we feel, there are still people who feel that if a child dies, you can possibly fill the void w/another one. I think the word "replacement" is what seems offensive to some. I do understand it in theory but in practice it's another matter.

[pomtzu]

In actuality, that is true. However, there are people who believe that you can. When I was first married, my husband and I went to our family dr. for complete physicals. When the dr. heard that I was on birth control and was considering having my tubes tied, he said "You should reconsider. If something should happen to your son, (this was my second marriage) God forbid, you'll want to have more children". I said "No, I wouldn't. I'd be too heartbroken. Besides, you can't replace children like cattle". He said "You would change your mind and then it would be too late". However we feel, there are still people who feel that if a child dies, you can possibly fill the void w/another one. I think the word "replacement" is what seems offensive to some. I do understand it in theory but in practice it's another matter.

That's the exact same situation I encountered years ago. I expressed the desire to my doctor to have my tubes tied after my 2nd child, and he asked the same question - what if something happened to one or both of my children - and I said the same thing - that they could never be "replaced"!

[Medusa]

they could never be "replaced"!

And, of course, they couldn't be replaced. My point is that the word "replacement", however offensive to some, stresses the point that there is a void in the family that, in their opinion, needs to be filled. Having a family is of the utmost importance to many and if, for instance, an only child was taken from them, I can understand their wanting to have more children. I wouldn't see it as trying to replace the lost child and it's doubtful that they would see it that way too. They would be, IMO, trying to have their normalcy, their family, again. They would always revere their child's memory but having more children doesn't detract from their child's legacy. If anything, it enhances it because it's a testament to the impact that the child made on their lives.

[RICHARD]

I think the word "replacement" is what seems offensive to some. I do understand it in theory but in practice it's another matter.

How does "New Kids on the Block" sound?

That would be a great name for a band.

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I think I heard about the 49 year old woman who is having quads soon just reinforces my idea that all this baby farming should be looked at closely.


I heard a doc that specializes in OB that 20-80 percent of preemie MB kids suffer from life long physical/health problems.


Poor kids, They can't pick their parents, the parents pick them.

[blue]

That's idiotic - blue. I know for sure that you don't have any kids, the same as Richard! You CAN'T EVER replace a child that has been lost.

No you cant replace the lost children outside of cloning.

The replacement is filling the void left from the loss of the children.

Thanks for the judgement and insult.

[Puckstop31]

Ya know.... If you really cared about these children, or anybodies children, we would be talking about this "stimulus" bill that is about to flush our kids future down the tubes.

And speaking of ignorance... I wonder if anybody in Congress has read an honest history book?

"The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance."

-- Cicero , 55 BC

[Karen]

Please get this thread out of the realm of personal attacks. Belittling others is not necessary, and not part of the spirit of Pet Talk. I think we all know how certain of you feel about each other, and don't need to see it reiterated again and again. It is not helpful, conducive to dialogue, or good for the community.

I do agree that "Octomom" - who should be referred to as Tetradecamom, as she now has 14 children - is not stable or sane, and that her physician, if he had knowledge of her mental state, should be investigated and disciplined.

I hope all her children get enough love and support and care from the extended community, and their health and well-being are not further compromised by Ms. Suleman's mental issues. They will all be in my prayers. They did not ask to be born, after all.

[DJFyrewolf36]

Please get this thread out of the realm of personal attacks. Belittling others is not necessary, and not part of the spirit of Pet Talk. I think we all know how certain of you feel about each other, and don't need to see it reiterated again and again. It is not helpful, conducive to dialogue, or good for the community.

I do agree that "Octomom" - who should be referred to as Tetradecamom, as she now has 14 children - is not stable or sane, and that her physician, if he had knowledge of her mental state, should be investigated and disciplined.

I hope all her children get enough love and support and care from the extended community, and their health and well-being are not further compromised by Ms. Suleman's mental issues. They will all be in my prayers. They did not ask to be born, after all.

I agree completely. I see both sides of this argument and see good points in both. However I think people can agree to disagree

[RICHARD]

Please get this thread out of the realm of personal attacks.

I do agree that "Octomom" - who should be referred to as Tetradecamom, as she now has 14 children - is not stable or sane, and that her physician, if he had knowledge of her mental state, should be investigated and disciplined.

I don't take things personally.


LOL, I was a total loss at anything "math"- I appreciate your correcting me by naming the proper term!

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I do not have any children, Fortunately, I realized that I my desires to have a whole shiat load of kiddies would fit into my ethnic and religious upbringing, But, LO! God blesseth me with common sense, the realization that I am a better person when I can give kids back to their parents and thought that the
planet I grew up in is not the same planet they would be left with.

Plus, If I cannot behave on this website, what would my offspring be like?


Also, I didn't want them to hang around with ninnies who run the country, always have the "right" opinion and will not take responsibility for screwing up my earth.

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Blue,

Richardina? I'll call my next goldfish that in your honor.

I think that some people are obsessed with stupidity (Me) and are on some kind of stalking trip!

[pomtzu]

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I do not have any children,

I didn't think so. No one that has/had children would ever agree with your thoughts on "replacements". Again - IMO

[Edwina's Secretary]

I didn't think so. No one that has/had children would ever agree with your thoughts on "replacements". Again - IMO

Potmtzu...I would expand on that...I don't think anyone who has ever loved a child would ever agree with those thoughts on "replacements."