Ms. Pelosi, Meet A,B,C,D,E,F,G and H!

[Grace]

Her other children's ages are 7, 6, 5, 3 and 2 year old twins. I doubt there was ever any question of her not being able to have a child.

IMVHO this woman needed psychiatric care instead of embryo implantation.

[lvpets2002]

Aint that the Damn Truth.. LOL

Her other children's ages are 7, 6, 5, 3 and 2 year old twins. I doubt there was ever any question of her not being able to have a child.

IMVHO this woman needed psychiatric care instead of embryo implantation.

[RICHARD]

Let's review,

A single mom? 14 kids?

HMMMM!

I don't think that J and K + 8 live off of his salary alone. My dad raised six as a 'laborer' and my mom working part time, then full time when we were old enough.


J+K+8 'live' off of their program, the kindness of others and corporate 'sponsors'.

I happened by a spot when the kids had a birhday-even I have a curiosity about that trainwreck- and the mom was unpacking some shirts that were sent by a 'fan'. They also had some huge benefactors when they were first born.

As for the vacations?

Dizzyland and the producers of the program look for opportunities to showcase
the family out in public. I watched the Dizzyland episode and had to laugh about the accomodations and all the 'perks'.

Unless I win the lottery, I would never even dream of going and spending a week there, let alone with 8 kids. It's all donated thru the public relations offices of DL and the DISC Channel. The foot forward -or 20 feet - isthey want to portray is the Magic Kingdom is great place to take a litter of children for fun and games.

"LooK! IF John and Kate do it! We can with our 3-1-4-5-7-? kids!

Think of it on real terms.

Hotel SUITE! for 5 days? Tickets to the park? 200 dollars for the adults, 240 for the kids, and the prices are guesstimates? Food and god knows what else!

We have a Six Flags up the road- I was given a comp ticket when they were 10 bucks. NOw?

That may be a burger, coke and fries after I pay 45 to get in.

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Embryo Reduction?

Every facet of the world has their 'non offensive terminology'.

Some kids took grandma's car, got pulled over and ran from the cops.
The 14 y.o. that was driving got the car up to 90 and crashed it. The cops sugar coat the crash with termiology, abbreviations and other PR drivel because they don't want to acknowledge that they chased a car full of kids to death- If I remember one was 11 and another was 15?

[Grace]

More news on this. It appears she does have a husband.

Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq.

From the LA Times-

The mother of a woman who gave birth on Monday to octuplets said her daughter already has six children at home and was undergoing fertility treatment.

The Los Angeles Times reported on Thursday that Angela Suleman said her daughter had the embryos implanted last year, resulting in the eight births.

"They all happened to take," Suleman told the Times.

According to an earlier report, she did not show up at Kaiser until she was close to 12 weeks along. So they did not implant the embryos.

My question - what doctor in his/her right mind would treat a woman for infertility when she had undergone 5 pregnancies, resulting in 6 children over the previous 6 years?

[RICHARD]

More news on this. It appears she does have a husband.

Suleman said she was concerned about her daughter's homecoming because her husband, a contract worker, is due to return to Iraq.

From the LA Times-


According to an earlier report, she did not show up at Kaiser until she was close to 12 weeks along. So they did not implant the embryos.

My question - what doctor in his/her right mind would treat a woman for infertility when she had undergone 5 pregnancies, resulting in 6 children over the previous 6 years?

Grace,

I worked for the "permanente" for a long time-they did what was good 'for the company' quite a few times. How's about the OB docs stalling a New Year's Eve birth to get the "first kid of the year" on their resume. I think that's what happened in Orange COunty this year.

They have a PR machine next to none!


http://www.myfoxla.com/myfox/pages/H...Y&pageId=1.1.1

Enough said?

The reports from the local news media was that she was single and living with mom.

The more I hear, the more I question the whole idea, story and morals.

[Grace]

Just found this -

From CBS News -

CBS News has learned that the family of the octuplets born this week outside Los Angeles filed for bankruptcy and abandoned a home a little over a year-and-a-half ago.

Early Show national correspondent Hattie Kauffman says the mother is in her mid-thirties and lives with her parents.

There's been no mention of the octuplets' father, Kauffman observes.

The grandfather, she adds, is apparently going to head back to his native Iraq to earn money for the growing family. He told CBS News he's a former Iraqi military man.

Kauffman reported Thursday, and the octuplets' maternal grandmother now confirms to the Los Angeles Times, that the babies' mother already had six young children.

And a family acquaintance had told Kauffman that two of the six other kids are twins, and the six range in age from about two to about seven.

The mother's name is still being kept under wraps.
But her mother, Angela Suleman, also tells the newspaper her daughter conceived the octuplets through a fertility program.

Suleman told the Times her daughter had embryos implanted and, "They all happened to take."

On The Early Show Friday, the scientific director of an Atlanta-area fertility clinic blasted whichever clinic did the implantations, saying he's "stunned."

Doctors at the hospital where the octuplets were born, Kaiser Permanente Bellflower Medical Center in Bellflower, Calif., some 17 miles southeast of L.A., say the patient came to them already three months pregnant.

Asked at a news conference whether fertility assistance should be provided for a mother who already has multiple children, Dr. Harold Henry, part of the team that delivered the octuplets, said, "Kaiser has no policy on that, adding that doctors counseled the woman on her options.

"The options," said Henry, "were to continue the pregnancy or to selectively abort. The patient chose to continue the pregnancy."

Dr. Karen Maples, who also helped deliver the octuplets, read a statement from the mother saying, "My family and I are ecstatic about all of their arrivals."

The woman and her children live in a neighborhood of small, one-story homes, Kauffman reports, all with two-to-three bedrooms at most. Soon, she pointed out, there will be 14 children and at least three adults living in one of the homes -- until the grandfather heads back to his native Iraq,

Kauffman says unanswered questions include where the woman got the fertility treatments and how they were paid for.

On The Early Show Friday, Michael Tucker, scientific director of Georgia Reproductive Specialists, says all these developments leave him "stunned. As the story's unfolded and it's gone from the potential use of just fertility drugs, or misuse thereof, to actual, apparently, IVF (in-vitro fertilization) with transfer of embryos, this is just remarkable to me that any practitioner in our field of reproductive medicine would undertake such a practice."

Tucker, who has a doctorate in reproductive physiology, says it's "absolutely" possible the octuplets' mother got pregnant with them by taking fertility drugs on her own without the help of a clinic, "and that seemed the most plausible scenario, simply because the profession, we're policed by the American Society of Reproductive Medicine, has focused so minutely on the fact that we need to reduce the number of embryos that we transfer. We really are all about seeking the one, the one embryo that's going to make the healthy, single-born baby.

"And this kind of multiple plethora excess of babies is too much of a good thing. And it's rather a slap in the face of the whole profession, simply because it's going in the wrong direction.

"And it's unfortunate, because the media pick up on this and seem to go, I think, Arthur Kaplan from UPenn (University of Pennsylvania) said the media tend to go goo-goo gaga over this and, in fact, it's really a bit of a medical disaster."

"Had she walked into a fertility clinic and said, 'Listen, I've got other children, the oldest seven, the youngest two,' co-anchor Julie Chen asked Tucker, "is there any ethical responsibility on the clinic's part to say, 'I'm not going to treat you,' or, 'You know what? This is not a good idea?" '

"Suffice to say," Tucker responded, "I've been in this business for 25 years now. And it's pretty much standard practice in all clinics to have some form of psychological evaluation of the patient. Also, their sociological circumstances. And I'm stunned, actually, that a clinic would proceed to treat a patient in this circumstance and then even to get to perhaps the transfer of embryos and ponder the transfer in, I believe, the lady's mid-30s, a 35-year-old -- she should be receiving two embryos, maximum, as a transfer into her uterus to have had eight transferred is somewhat -- is extremely irresponsible."

[RICHARD]

This story is better than a circus!

[RICHARD]

Seriously?

I heard the family had a few properties and can afford to have a kenne-home filled with kids.

So what.

Like my mom said, "As long as you are not using............Who cares."

[Randi]

My question - what doctor in his/her right mind would treat a woman for infertility when she had undergone 5 pregnancies, resulting in 6 children over the previous 6 years?

My question too. I doubt it would be allowed here!

A few centuries ago, it was normal to have up to approx. 6-10 children, but imagine if this goes on and on and on.... how long do you think our planet can cope?

[sasvermont]

http://killeenfurtneygroup.com/Index.cfm

I sent an email.

[caseysmom]

I don't see anywhere to read others comments...that no doubt would be entertaining

[RICHARD]

My question too. I doubt it would be allowed here!

A few centuries ago, it was normal to have up to approx. 6-10 children, but imagine if this goes on and on and on.... how long do you think our planet can cope?

Randi,

Last century my mom had six......

The 'moral' outrage is really funny out here. Instead of being angry at the stupid doctor, the masses are angry at the stupid woman.

Yes, we all pay taxes and have to support this debacle in human form, but no one seems to mind that we all have to pay for the stupid people who the government has to help out because they bought houses they could not afford, invested money they had in stupid stocks. We have to hand out money to banks and other businesses because of their stupidity.

It's far easier to unload on some dumb dingleberry because she has a face and is not a faceless giant of industry.


Also, there are the arguements about the government regulating the 'birth' industry- Women complain about it all the time, but want their cake too.

If the government stepped in an outlawed all in-vitro births you would have a real hell storm here in the U.S.

It's o.k. for some women to have a set of twins or triplets-but by the same token, there are the people/couples so effing desperate to have their 'own' kids that they would have four or five embryos implanted to be guaranteed one child.

It's the circus that AMerica is sometimes!

[Daisy and Delilah]

The single fact that she had 6 children and wanted more through IVF is enough to make me highly suspicious of her. Especially not in her situation. This was a plan and she's succeeding at achieving her goal, slowly but surely.

[Karen]

My question too. I doubt it would be allowed here!

A few centuries ago, it was normal to have up to approx. 6-10 children, but imagine if this goes on and on and on.... how long do you think our planet can cope?

That's because it was rare for them all to survive to adulthood! And growing your own help was cheaper than hiring help to work the farm/fields ...

[Randi]

Yes, that's true, Karen, and it's still like that in undeveloped countries, but in the Western world it's not neccesary anymore.

I think China is handling it well!