Can somebody explain the most recent Israel/Palestine conflict?

[momoffuzzyfaces]

If you are a Christian, I will say with 99.99% certainty that you are a Christian not because you researched all the world's religions and chose the one you personally believe in ... but because your parents were Christian. And your parents were Christian because their parents were, etc. Christians are Christians, Jews are Jews, Muslims are Muslims, Hindus are Hindus, etc. not because of an informed, spiritual choice ... but because of an accident of birth. If one of you American Christians had happened to be born in Pakistan instead of Ohio ... I assure you that you would be Muslim today, and think that Islam was the "right" religion and Christianity was the "wrong" religion. A geographic roll of the dice made people the religion they are, not being "chosen".

You lose on this one!!! I was raised in a family that never went to church. We never event talked about god. I became a Christian because after reading the Bible cover to cover several times I came to love Jesus very much. After 9/11, I went on a serious search. I realized I did believe in God, a loving one at that. I also realized I couldn't accept a religion for myself that Jesus wasn't part of. What other chose to believe it up to them. What I believe is not an "accident of birth".

One thing everyone forgets; just as there is good in the world: there is evil.
When man turned against god in the garden, that gave evil free rein in the earth. That evil includes sickness and death to innocents and well as non-innocents.

Whether you believe in god or not, there is a struggle going on between good and evil. Sadly, evil seems to be winning these days.

[Lady's Human]

And I'm sure the Hamas militants who hold women and children in targeted areas as human shields and use residential areas as launch points are nothing but angels, PCB.

Besides, if the Arab states were serious about helping the palestinians they could, but they prefer to leave things as they are rather than offer legitamate aid. How about Iran and Syria maybe offering economic assistance instead of keeping up a supply of weapons and agitprop?

[caseysmom]

And I'm sure the Hamas militants who hold women and children in targeted areas as human shields and use residential areas as launch points are nothing but angels, PCB.

Besides, if the Arab states were serious about helping the palestinians they could, but they prefer to leave things as they are rather than offer legitamate aid. How about Iran and Syria maybe offering economic assistance instead of keeping up a supply of weapons and agitprop?

Iran is not an Arab state.

I agree that Israel is not innocent in this, I believe hamas is not innocent either, unfortunately a lot of Palenstenians are caught in the middle.

[RICHARD]

I love the arguement that Hamas has the 'right' to shoot off rockets into Israel.


Let's put it into modern day ideals.

You buy a house in a neighborhood.
The house was taken over by the bank for one reason or another-that reason may not be right, but the previous owners were evicted.
The people who live in that house before come back and start to break windows with rocks.

When you toss rocks back to defend yourself you hit some of the hooligans that are causing the problems...

WHo is right?

The effing Hamas and all the people who support them and their murderous little pranks are wrong. I also love the idea of taking young men and women and convincing them to strap a bomb on and blow up a bus, car, school or checkpoint to make a point!

The Palis do deserve a safe and harmonious place to live, but they elected a bunch of moron, evil bees turds to run their 'government'.


They want peace, they should come to the table with their hands empty, as opposed to throwing rocks before they walk into the door, they crying to the world community that they are being treated cruelly.

Sometimes you have to eat a little poop before anyone believes what you have to say.....and I haven't seen it.

[caseysmom]

The palestenians are caught in the middle, hamas gets funded from countries that want to take down israel. The hamas uses that money and feeds the palestenians and put schools up, the palestenians elect the hamas cuz that is where they get there food and how they survive.

[Randi]

Let's not forget that the Palestianians were there first, and had lived there for a long time. Palestine was divided up... I think, after the 6 days war in 1967, but Israel still wanted more! At the time they had even been given more than 50 %. Where was the Palestinians supposed to go?

[Lady's Human]

The Palestinians were given part of Jordan as part of the settlement after WW2. They tried to overthrow the government, Jordan tossed them.

Israel wanted more? No, Israel was attacked by multiple countries, and expanded their borders to defensible positions in response.

If it was just about territory, Israel could have easily held onto the Sinai.

[jennielynn1970]

The Palestinians were given part of Jordan as part of the settlement after WW2. They tried to overthrow the government, Jordan tossed them.

Israel wanted more? No, Israel was attacked by multiple countries, and expanded their borders to defensible positions in response.

If it was just about territory, Israel could have easily held onto the Sinai.

Israel wants to control everything. Their flag says it all. The blue lines represent rivers. The star represents the people in between. They want to control what lies between the rivers, and that's a lot of land. From the Nile to the Euphrates, all the land in between is supposed to be an Israeli land.

Israel DOES indeed want more land. It wants to control whatever it can.

Israel, in my opinion, should not exist. It should be Palestine. I wish everyone could live peacefully under that name, whether they be Jewish or Muslim. I just don't see it happening.

Unfortunately, all the US does is back Israel. We do whatever they tell us to do (the government). We're just a puppet state for them, really. Heaven forbid we actually say we think that Palestinians have a right to want their land back, or that Fatah and Hammas are fighting for their rights and their land.

Both Israel and Hammas are armed. You can't say that one is wrong and the other is not. They both are fighting, and they both are killing, and the innocent are stuck in the middle. The whole situation just sucks.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Let's not forget that the Palestianians were there first, and had lived there for a long time. Palestine was divided up... I think, after the 6 days war in 1967, but Israel still wanted more! At the time they had even been given more than 50 %. Where was the Palestinians supposed to go?

Really Israel was there first. They were thrown out by the Romans in 70 AD. There are still ruins from their original buildings there just being found by archelogists.

[jennielynn1970]

Really Israel was there first. They were thrown out by the Romans in 70 AD. There are still ruins from their original buildings there just being found by archelogists.

People were there, not "Israelis".

People.

Israel did NOT exist before WWII.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Really Israel was there first. They were thrown out by the Romans in 70 AD. There are still ruins from their original buildings there just being found by archelogists.

A slippery slope if you start relying on boundaries in 70 AD! Let's see...North America was inhabited by....

[jennielynn1970]

Let's put it into modern day ideals.

You buy a house in a neighborhood.
The house was taken over by the bank for one reason or another-that reason may not be right, but the previous owners were evicted.
The people who live in that house before come back and start to break windows with rocks.

When you toss rocks back to defend yourself you hit some of the hooligans that are causing the problems...

First of all, that's way too simplistic, secondly, it's wrong.

They didn't get "evicted" because they owed rent or back taxes, they were thrown out of their homes FOR NO REASON other than to have it given to the Israelis.

And calling them rock throwers, that's just a low blow, Richard.

I don't care who's book said what, or who wrote it (face it, it's a translation of one person's writing by another person... all books are), you don't throw someone out of their home to give another people housing. You build new, you find somewhere else. You don't block off where they live, put them in a refugee camp and then complain when they rise up against what was done to them.

Of course they're pissed off. I think any of us in that position would be. I don't care what religion is brought in, who says what higher power says they're right, it's a bunch of crap.

[RICHARD]

And calling them rock throwers, that's just a low blow, Richard.

Please don't read the posts.


Secondly, I never called the Palis rock tossers. I may have used that term in my example bit didn't call them RCs, per se.


And what about all the young kids that are seen in the effing new reels throwing rocks at the IDF tanks and vehicles?


That has always been a HAMAS line of effing BS......"We don't have the tech that the evil Israelis have-supplied by the U.S.- so we HAVE to throw rocks, toss rockets and send out kids out with bombs on their bodies.


And to make it fair, Israel has always tainted the bread they sent to the camps with body parts.

[jennielynn1970]

Secondly, I never called the Palis rock tossers. I may have used that term in my example bit didn't call them RCs, per se.

I just think you could have used a different example other than rocks.

[RICHARD]

I just think you could have used a different example other than rocks.

Suicide bomber?
Indiscriminate murderers?
Fanatics?
Mortar lobbers?

I brought this up in a thread a while ago.

When people call some illegal aliens 'wetbacks' or some other perjorative term, I cannot take offense. It's the way many of MY people ended up here.

To allude to a certain faction of people who DO THROW ROCKS at armed soldiers as rock throwers is neither a low blow or anything else.

I calls them as I sees them.


I could call them a band of idiots for trying to engage armed troops with stones, But that just takes away the ideal that they are innocent of any wrong doing.


And what is your reaction to the Hamas AHs in the news conference and the 'graveyard' comment?


Lovely, they want the world to rally behind them and they make no bones about threatening death to the Israelis.

Let me make myself clear. I don't like either side being stupid, war or killing.
I do have a limit as the the stupidity and 'poor me' line of crap that comes out of the area.

I don't lump all the Palis in with the Hamas, PLO, Hezbollah effups. Their is a line, and it's too bad that people have to make it more difficult for everyone involved.

The Hamas and the other morons are doing the talking and wrecking the chance of anyone living in peace in the area.

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Can you please tell me who the people are that I see on the tube throwing stones at the IDF vehicles?