Can somebody explain the most recent Israel/Palestine conflict?

[jennielynn1970]

Let's put it into modern day ideals.

You buy a house in a neighborhood.
The house was taken over by the bank for one reason or another-that reason may not be right, but the previous owners were evicted.
The people who live in that house before come back and start to break windows with rocks.

When you toss rocks back to defend yourself you hit some of the hooligans that are causing the problems...

First of all, that's way too simplistic, secondly, it's wrong.

They didn't get "evicted" because they owed rent or back taxes, they were thrown out of their homes FOR NO REASON other than to have it given to the Israelis.

And calling them rock throwers, that's just a low blow, Richard.

I don't care who's book said what, or who wrote it (face it, it's a translation of one person's writing by another person... all books are), you don't throw someone out of their home to give another people housing. You build new, you find somewhere else. You don't block off where they live, put them in a refugee camp and then complain when they rise up against what was done to them.

Of course they're pissed off. I think any of us in that position would be. I don't care what religion is brought in, who says what higher power says they're right, it's a bunch of crap.

[RICHARD]

And calling them rock throwers, that's just a low blow, Richard.

Please don't read the posts.


Secondly, I never called the Palis rock tossers. I may have used that term in my example bit didn't call them RCs, per se.


And what about all the young kids that are seen in the effing new reels throwing rocks at the IDF tanks and vehicles?


That has always been a HAMAS line of effing BS......"We don't have the tech that the evil Israelis have-supplied by the U.S.- so we HAVE to throw rocks, toss rockets and send out kids out with bombs on their bodies.


And to make it fair, Israel has always tainted the bread they sent to the camps with body parts.

[caseysmom]

You lose on this one!!! I was raised in a family that never went to church. We never event talked about god. I became a Christian because after reading the Bible cover to cover several times I came to love Jesus very much. After 9/11, I went on a serious search. I realized I did believe in God, a loving one at that. I also realized I couldn't accept a religion for myself that Jesus wasn't part of. What other chose to believe it up to them. What I believe is not an "accident of birth".

One thing everyone forgets; just as there is good in the world: there is evil.
When man turned against god in the garden, that gave evil free rein in the earth. That evil includes sickness and death to innocents and well as non-innocents.

Whether you believe in god or not, there is a struggle going on between good and evil. Sadly, evil seems to be winning these days.

There are exceptions but really I do believe this is true in most cases. Of course there are missionaries in other countries.

[Lady's Human]

Iran is not an Arab state, however they are a key backer of Hamas through weapons supplies and information warfare support, as is Syria (an Arab state).

I wonder how many photoshopped pics the blogs are going to uncover from this go-round? I suppose the media are going to have to be more careful this time around with the propoganda they choose to purvey.

The Palestinians were thrown out of Jordan for attempting a coup, and if they weren't a useful foil against Israel they would get nowhere near the support they do from the Muslim world.

[smokey the elder]

Hamas, good, bad or indifferent, was elected by the Palestinian Authority. I just wonder what may have happened if, instead of the USA blockading the PA, if we had taken a watchful stance and see if Hamas could *gasp* go legit. If a faction actually needs to GOVERN, maybe they'll change their stance, and maybe they won't.

This is a 5000 year old mess which will probably not get cleaned up in this generation or the next. There was plenty of warlike behavior from all parties from the Old Testament on; Babylon stomped on Judea; Judea stomped Jericho, and on and on.

[Lady's Human]

STE, I would never say that the Israelis have clean hands in all this mess, BUT......

The Palestinians elected Hamas to rule, and Hamas has done nothing more than escalate the violence in the region. Hamas has signed cease fires and broken them repeatedly, and continues launching rockets into Israel.

Egypt was trying to broker a new cease fire agreement when Hamas launched the latest round of attacks. They brought this on themselves.

[Twisterdog]

You lose on this one!!!

Actually, no, I don't.

You may not have grown up in a practicing Christian household, but you grew up in a Christian country. When you decided to start actively practicing a religion, you reached for the Bible, the book of Christians. You didn't go to the library and check out the Qu'an or the Torah and read them cover to cover several times as well, before deciding to start practicing Christianity. I'd bet again, you didn't research the Bahá'í faith, Gnosticism or Jainism.

I'm not saying this in and of itself is wrong. It's human nature. We gravitate towards what we know. If I want to buy a new car, I pick from the choices that I am familar with, that my friends and family own, and are readily available in my area. I choose between a Chevy and a Toyota ... I don't even think about a Tata, a Izmash or a Yulon. It's the same with religion ... when basically non-religious people decide to become religious, they almost always choose the religion of their family, friends or country. Not always, there are exceptions ... that's why I did not say "100%" in my original post. But it's incredibly rare that an American decides to start practicing Kharijite, Sikhism, or iAyyavazhi nstead of Christianity.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

Actually, no, I don't.

You may not have grown up in a practicing Christian household, but you grew up in a Christian country. When you decided to start actively practicing a religion, you reached for the Bible, the book of Christians. You didn't go to the library and check out the Qu'an or the Torah and read them cover to cover several times as well, before deciding to start practicing Christianity. I'd bet again, you didn't research the Bahá'í faith, Gnosticism or Jainism.

I'm not saying this in and of itself is wrong. It's human nature. We gravitate towards what we know. If I want to buy a new car, I pick from the choices that I am familar with, that my friends and family own, and are readily available in my area. I choose between a Chevy and a Toyota ... I don't even think about a Tata, a Izmash or a Yulon. It's the same with religion ... when basically non-religious people decide to become religious, they almost always choose the religion of their family, friends or country. Not always, there are exceptions ... that's why I did not say "100%" in my original post. But it's incredibly rare that an American decides to start practicing Kharijite, Sikhism, or iAyyavazhi nstead of Christianity.

Well, the Torah is part of the Christian Bible so I did read that one several times. Since I had never ever even heard of the others I couldn't research them. We had no computer Google access in those days. Even the libraries were limited as to what religious books were offered.

[RICHARD]

I stand corrected.

Today I was on the pot and was reading the paper.....

THere was a pic of a yoong Arab man throwing a fire bomb at an Israeli fortress/post.


I called them rock throwers, They are arsonists.