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    Maybe the media read the editorial I posted about being VERY one sided...

    WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama was less than upfront in his half-hour commercial Wednesday night about the costs of his programs and the crushing budget pressures he would face in office.
    Obama's assertion that "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond" the expense of his promises is accepted only by his partisans. His vow to save money by "eliminating programs that don't work" masks his failure throughout the campaign to specify what those programs are—beyond the withdrawal of troops from Iraq.

    A sampling of what voters heard in the ad, and what he didn't tell them:

    THE SPIN: "That's why my health care plan includes improving information technology, requires coverage for preventive care and pre-existing conditions and lowers health care costs for the typical family by $2,500 a year."

    THE FACTS: His plan does not lower premiums by $2,500, or any set amount. Obama hopes that by spending $50 billion over five years on electronic medical records and by improving access to proven disease management programs, among other steps, consumers will end up saving money. He uses an optimistic analysis to suggest cost reductions in national health care spending could amount to the equivalent of $2,500 for a family of four. Many economists are skeptical those savings can be achieved, but even if they are, it's not a certainty that every dollar would be passed on to consumers in the form of lower premiums.

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    THE SPIN: "I've offered spending cuts above and beyond their cost."

    THE FACTS: Independent analysts say both Obama and Republican John McCain would deepen the deficit. The nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget estimates Obama's policy proposals would add a net $428 billion to the deficit over four years—and that analysis accepts the savings he claims from spending cuts. The nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, whose other findings have been quoted approvingly by the Obama campaign, says: "Both John McCain and Barack Obama have proposed tax plans that would substantially increase the national debt over the next 10 years." The analysis goes on to say: "Neither candidate's plan would significantly increase economic growth unless offset by spending cuts or tax increases that the campaigns have not specified."

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    THE SPIN: "Here's what I'll do. Cut taxes for every working family making less than $200,000 a year. Give businesses a tax credit for every new employee that they hire right here in the U.S. over the next two years and eliminate tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas. Help homeowners who are making a good faith effort to pay their mortgages, by freezing foreclosures for 90 days. And just like after 9-11, we'll provide low-cost loans to help small businesses pay their workers and keep their doors open. "

    THE FACTS: His proposals—the tax cuts, the low-cost loans, the $15 billion a year he promises for alternative energy, and more—cost money, and the country could be facing a record $1 trillion deficit next year. Indeed, Obama recently acknowledged—although not in his commercial—that: "The next president will have to scale back his agenda and some of his proposals."

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    THE SPIN: "I also believe every American has a right to affordable health care."

    THE FACTS: That belief should not be confused with a guarantee of health coverage for all. He makes no such promise. Obama hinted as much in the ad when he said about the problem of the uninsured: "I want to start doing something about it." He would mandate coverage for children but not adults. His program is aimed at making insurance more affordable by offering the choice of government-subsidized coverage similar to that in a plan for federal employees and other steps, including requiring larger employers to share costs of insuring workers.

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    THE SPIN: "We are currently spending $10 billion a month in Iraq, when they have a $79 billion surplus. It seems to me that if we're going to be strong at home as well as strong abroad that we've got to look at bringing that war to a close." These lines in the ad were taken from a debate with McCain.

    THE FACTS: Obama was once and very often definitive about getting combat troops out in 16 months (At times during the primaries, he promised to do so within a year). More recently, without backing away explicitly from the 16-month withdrawal pledge, he has talked of the need for flexibility. In the primaries, it would have been a jarring departure for him to have said merely that "we've got to look at" ending the war. As for Iraq's surplus, it's true that Iraq could end up with a surplus that large, but that hasn't happened yet.
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    Lies & dirty politics. Will we be any further ahead with either of these candidates? I am not ready for a black man in the white house & I am not ready for an old man that should be retired. Ugh!! But I do plan to go vote.

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    It is my apology to you that we did not let you know that the conversation was being taped, and yet I expect you to know that being a public figure, such may happen.
    Ummm...smacks of dishonesty on the 'brother's' part.

    Michelle Obama is not running for office - I think she has been had here.

    As for the other "details" - I think there's a lot of last-minute pressure from fans of both sides to press their case.

    Little, if any of this, will matter next Wednesday.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonny View Post
    I am not ready for a black man in the white house

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonny View Post
    I am not ready for a black man in the white house
    WHAT?????
    Please explain?
    What difference does it make if he's black, white, pink or green?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonny View Post
    Lies & dirty politics. Will we be any further ahead with either of these candidates? I am not ready for a black man in the white house & I am not ready for an old man that should be retired. Ugh!! But I do plan to go vote.
    Ignorance is alive and well...no real surprise at least you have the guts to say it instead of hiding behind lies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonny View Post
    Lies & dirty politics. Will we be any further ahead with either of these candidates? I am not ready for a black man in the white house & I am not ready for an old man that should be retired. Ugh!! But I do plan to go vote.
    DUDE!

    I like your candor.

    I went to a 'sensitivity class' once and the instructor asked if there was anyone in the room who was not biased/prejudiced.

    Three women raised their hands then the teacher asked them about hating on the old slow poke that drove 2 miles an hour in front of them and what their reaction to slow, old drivers was-I don't know it they got the message.

    The same people who will crumb on your post are the same ones who won't elect an old dude or a young woman with no political cred. My concern with BO running is the pressure that the black interest groups will put upon him to 'stay true to the cause' and what they want if he should become president.

    I have the same problem with the mayor of Lost Angeles - I am a dumb American-Mexican, But, the mayor here is an idiot Am-Mexican in charge.

    He's backed many programs that cater to the gangs and criminals in the city.
    He refuses change the LAPD's orders on deporting illegal alien criminals, he also refuses to look into the money wasted on charter schools-one charter has all latin students and teaches an extinct dialect from a Mexican civilization that hasn't been around for a few centuries. I really don't have the time or patience to see my tax dollars go to teaching kid to speak a language that has no use in the 21st century.

    I am all for diversity in who runs my government, but when they come up with over the top agendas, spending plans and programs that just serve to EFF things up more than they already are, they can count me out as far as supporting their sorry arses.

    I worked for years with different races, creeds, orientations and ideologies.
    The worst ones were the idiots who got into a place where they wanted to change things up, according to what THEY thought was right. There is always one person who wants to "change" things according to their philosophy. THey never give a thought as to how those changes will affect everyone involved. they just want a change and hedge their bets that an ill thought out plan will be embraced by everyone.

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    Keep grasping at straws...I hope it helps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by caseysmom View Post
    Keep grasping at straws...I hope it helps.
    Well, isn't the rule that you don't leave your drink on the table unattended?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post
    The same people who will crumb on your post are the same ones who won't elect an old dude or a young woman with no political cred.
    I wouldn't be so quick to point fingers like that.
    It has nothing to do with who I am voting for, personally.

    I just can't agree that the comment was an expression of candor.
    It's an expression of ignorance.

    I grew up in a very diverse background and for that matter lived half my life in the US and half abroad. Two of my very dearest friends are African American, another is bi-racial, some muslim and many more are of very diverse backgrounds.

    It truly is a matter of ignorance. People are afraid of what they don't know.
    I am embarrassed for all of you who share Bonny's opinion.

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    I dont care what color Barack is, personally. I dont like him, period. I dont hide behind that fact....

    Although, I dont think African Americans really need all that many more programs to make their lives better. Why not make programs for ALL colors, no matter what.

    Programs for African Americans only, now THAT, is prejudice...

    White people get accused constantly of being prejudice, but why dont we have programs for Caucasians? Scholarships? I could not get grants because of my color, but my good friend, did. And openly admitted it was her color only that got her in for free. That to me is also prejudice.

    BET is prejudice, white people dont have WET(love that name, lol). BECAUSE if they did, well, again it, their would be riots in the streets..

    That is just the way it is. I never look at someone for thier color. It is NOT Baracks color I dont like.

    If Colin Powell was running, he would have my vote! *SHOCK*



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    Quote Originally Posted by kt_luvs_kitties View Post
    Programs for African Americans only, now THAT, is prejudice...
    I sort of see where they came up with the idea for the Afican American only programs though; trying to make up for all the times they were excluded from every thing else. Wasn't all that long ago they couldn't even sit where they wanted on a bus or drink from drinking fountains that white people did.

    If you don't like someone that is up to you. I do have a problem though when people don't like someone only because of their race. Makes absolutely no sense to me at all!!!

    Just recently on the bus, I heard someone say they were afraid if an African American got in office THEY would take over the country. How dumb is that? As if African Americans could mess us up any more than we are already!
    No matter what anyone does, someone some where will be offended some how!!!!
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    I dont not like anyone for their race... IF someone says something to me about not liking a race, I just ignore them. They are ignorant. Ignorance is bliss

    And I understand where you are coming from, BUT I owe NOONE ANYTHING> I did not own slaves, nor did I not let someone share anything with me. If people who look past that, forgive, and let it go, MAYBE THEN the world would stop being so hypocritical and prejudice...

    Slavery was wrong, and I have apologized for these horrible issues. BUT I am tired of doing it, and the race card getting thrown up CONSTANTLY! I believe we are all equal, so lets be equal. Stop the African American banter. Stop the programs, make them open to ALL that need them. Color should not prevent ANYONE from going to college, OR being the next POTUS! That is just my take on it


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    Quote Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces View Post
    I sort of see where they came up with the idea for the Afican American only programs though; trying to make up for all the times they were excluded from every thing else. Wasn't all that long ago they couldn't even sit where they wanted on a bus or drink from drinking fountains that white people did.
    It's not just to make up for things of the past, it is because prejudice still exists. Bonny's statement and those who have agreed with her prove that. So given a choice people will hire, promote, accept into schools/households, people with whom they feel the most comfortable. Those that they can relate to the best. As long as a majority of the decisions are being made by white men, white men are most likely to have an advantage in obtaining their goals. In an effort to break that cycle so that more views may be expressed and explored these programs are necessary. It has doesn't have as much to do with what happened 100 years ago, but more to do with what continues to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beeniesmom View Post
    I wouldn't be so quick to point fingers like that.
    It has nothing to do with who I am voting for, personally.

    I just can't agree that the comment was an expression of candor.
    It's an expression of ignorance.

    I grew up in a very diverse background and for that matter lived half my life in the US and half abroad. Two of my very dearest friends are African American, another is bi-racial, some muslim and many more are of very diverse backgrounds.

    It truly is a matter of ignorance. People are afraid of what they don't know.
    I am embarrassed for all of you who share Bonny's opinion.
    And what part of the human race do you abhor?
    Have no patience for?
    Dislike?

    Asking questions or voicing a concern has nothing to do with ignorance. It's more ballsy than the Peace and Love, everyone is my friend creed that most people espouse.

    The common arguement is the "I have three black friends, a mexican gardener and the guy I buy my coffee from in the morning is Indian." So what does that mean?

    Get a job in the med field and you'll see more pure bred/mutts that you can ever imagine. Who I count as my friends has nothing to do with my world view.

    Is it ignorance to admit to what you believe in, rather than what is politically correct? I don't care for BO either-I don't care for his politics-he's got a skeezy slickness about him that makes his whole agenda suspect to me.

    Two things that are a real turn off to me when I talk politics to people, the inability to understand a basic premise and the "He's better that Bush/It's GWB all over again."

    Young people are the most vulnerable to a good talking point. Will a skin color make anyone a better politician? Nope, but it does open them up to more scrutiny than the old white guys that have run the place for the last 230 or so years.

    I want my politicians to be above reproach-above all the shiat that makes them 'different' to what we ordinarily demand from them. BO hasn't shown me any of that. If he hasn't come out to give me a good reason as to why he was hanging out with effing morons in his past, he can kiss my vote goodbye.

    Please do not waste your embarassment on me and my feelings. Save it for the people who cannot and will not be honest with their feelings.

    I think there is way more to life than wasting your feelings on a moron like me.

    Do something constructive with your time. Make a dartboard and put my picture on it.


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