Designer Breeds

[lute]

I agree... honestly I don't think the general dog owning public, just your average dog owner has any clue about 1.) The pet overpopulation problem or 2.) the difference between a reputable/ethical breeder vs. an irrisponsible/unethical breeder...

...and that is one of the most frustrating things EVER!!! People just assume that if the person claims to be a good breeder and the puppies are REGISTERED they are getting a top quality pup. I got news for ya! When your Yorkie ends up with floppy ears and a whopping 13lbs...at 9 months...ya...not a good breeder.

-- Then we have a couple that I do flyball with, with a CUTE little maltese/poodle mix who I didnt know this until recently, they actually bred this dog themselves.... they know I recently had a litter and told me they were considering breeding their maltese/poodle mix with their japanese chin, for no other reason than they think the puppies would be cute. Once the lady asked me if I did anything else, or just raised dogs.... at first I didn't understand what she was talking about LOL I thought at first she asked if I breed any breed besides Collies LOL but then it clicked what she was asking.... and I was like "Oh no... this litter I have now is the first litter I've had in almsot 2yrs" LOL I don't think they realize how expensive it is to actually breed the right way!!....

Someone called into the clinic I work at yesterday wanting to know when would be the best time to breed their poodle/pom/yorkie/chihuahua/n sumethin else mix to their shih tzu. She was 4yrs old. I of course told them NEVER! The best thing for the dog's health and well being would be to get her spayed as soon as possible. I don't think I got anywhere with them. They just said thanks and hung up.

She wrote back and said she understood and I talked to her for a few more e-mails.. she claimed she was still interested in a collie from me and would neuter the dog... so I wrote her and asked her if she had any objection to me neutering the dog prior to leaving..... LOL never heard from her.. apparently she thought she was going to pull something over on me... lol I'm quicker than that LOL.... I've delt with crazy people like this for years...

Stupid woman! I hope she doesn't think she'll be able to pull a fast one when she signs a contract and then tries to register a litter.

[RipplingWaves55]

It makes me angry---I agree Cocker Luva, 'designer' breeds shouldn't be allowed. People need to stop doing this. Freedom to dogs. ><

[kokopup]

I am the proud owner of a Golden Labrador. She is not a Designer dog but an accident that I rescued. She has the best and worst qualities of both breeds. I wouldn’t have it any other way.

I have heard members complaining about all the irresponsible breeders creating all these breeds that aren’t needed. I believe the irresponsible owners are as much if not a bigger problem. In my 68 years I hate to think about all the neglect and abuse I have seen at the hands of owners. Not to mention the number of owners that feel they can allow their unneutered pets have free reign of a community. Another big problem is owners buying pets not really understanding the temperament and needs of the breed they are buying. They buy a Lab and leave it to their own devices for 8-9 hours and wonder why it shreds carpet or digs up the yard. It then ends up at the pound because it was too much trouble.

I hear of the horrors of creating designer pets and what an aberration this is. Most if not all breeds are the product of cross or selective breeding. The Golden Retriever was created in the 1800s by Sir Dudley Marjoribanks as a hunting dog. One of its ancestors the Wavy Coated Retriever no longer exist and is also the origin of the flat Coated Retriever. A latter day creation the Boykin Spaniel was a mix of American Water Spaniels, Springer Spaniels, Pointers and Chesapeake Bay Retrievers. The Prized German Shepard was created by Von Stephanitz over a period of 37 years. The Labrador that we adore in the US has a different standard here than in other parts of the world and will also has a different appearance. This was done by selective breeding. Dogs have been created for either appearance or purpose for centuries. It would be stupid to say that selective or crossbreeding is wrong since all the wonderful canine pets we now enjoy came to us this way. In a few years some of the hybrids that are under fire from our members will be AKC registered because they will be excepted as legitimate just like other
have been excepted in the past. This is the order of things.

If the labradoodle was called a “St Lawrence Water Dog” No one would question whether it was suppose to be a breed. I am constantly ask what my dog is. She looks like a Chocolate Golden Retriever and weighs almost 100 lbs. I could give her an exotic sounding name and no one would question it. I usually say she is a “Pretty Brown Dog”. She is that, and I thank God daily that she came into my life. She is truly an angel sent from above.


I believe the key here for Owners and Breeders alike, BE Responsible.

[panthrvamp]

ok, first let me tell u a bit about my pack I have a 2yr old, 150lb cane corso mastiff, Zeus whom is my mobility Service dog, a lab/irishsetter, so what, labster? 75lbs and 3 yrs old whom, when got her, were told she was fixed. never questioned that, till let her and Zeus out to go potty one morning in Sept07, around 5am, when went tolet them back in, small problem, yes, you guessed it, they were tied. SO,Dec2, 2007 4 hours after her water broke, we had 13 yes thats right thirteen pups! we did lose one. We kept one and at that time also had a just under year old APhrodite, whom we thought was pure corso, even had her papers. but, few days before her first heat., went from playing to attacking 4 mth old Bacchus, theone pup we did keep. he did make it and is now 75lbs. unfortunatly, her agression did not improve. mater of fat, was letting Zeus, Princess and Aphrodite in the door one day, she went after princess, bynow her cycle was well over. while breaking it up, she turned on me and went to snap after had knocked me down. needless to say, Zeus went into protection mode. oftenwhenpeople saw her they asked if she was pit. Well, after that I began to learn a lesson wish would have before got her.ALWAYS check out the breeder your buying from. are they a registared breeder? what specifically are they breeding for, how often do they breed the same bitch? etc. I remembered then he also bred pit bulls. After working with her, having her evaluated by a behavorist, whome said that clearly, she believed that not only was there some serious agression in her line, but that she questioned if she was really pure corso as much of her actions and manerisms appeared as more pit. SO had to wonder, did he breed her with his corso but maybe his pit, whome was the same exact cloloring as his male corso maybe get ahold of her also? whenhad called and told him about the attack, his comment was " so yourputting the pup down right?" I waslike, ah as of now no, if he can be treated and live a good life then why would I? well he then said yeah thats how theyget youto put out money tug at the heart strings. Then he sugested that we "get a beat down stick, beat her and put her in her kennel so she learns who's boss" I was shocked! well needless to say, there went my consideration of giving her back to him. it wasnt till then I remembered him mentioning to keep her away from the pups right after they were born, cause Aprodite's moms sister had gotten into his pits nursing area and Killed 3 of the pups . when Aphrodie was born she was oneof 7 but only 4 survived. she sat on 3 as they were being born. made me wonder, ok knew your dog was close to to giving birth, and was not keeping an eye waiting for them? I mean hell, Princess showed signs of heat around 2 that afternoon, kept eye on her, midnight she moved from the floor on the side of the bed, into the kids pool had set up for a birthing area, walked in, let her water break then went back to the side of the bed and started delivering. first pup was out at 1206am, number 13 was born at 4:15am. even our vet was shocked not only at the amount of pups, but at how quick her labor had been. WEll, we finally went to our vet with aphrodite to see if she had any thoughts. she had gotten the report from the behaviorist, whom did question if she was really pure corso as some of her reactions were more typical to a pit of her age. of course, only way would have known for sure would have been to o the expensive DNA lab work. but didnt. while waiting at the vets when first went in, she saw her agression first hand. another dog walked into the waiting area. she imediatly growlled, showing teeth and tried to get loose from my hubby. We knew what decision had to be made. we have a great vet and she was honest. her first concern was my safety as well as others, and said we did have a liability on our hands. the behaviorist had said in her report flat out, she suspected severe agression in her line of breeding. So itwasdecisiontrime. do we try to keep working, or say goodbye. It was a hard decision, but had to look at everything, the rest of my packs safety, our saftey, our guests safetly etc. SO, laying in my arms we let her go off to the summerlands. It really broke our hearts but know it was what was right, ciouldnt rehome her cause 1. would have to mention the agression, 2 what if next time it was a child she attacked? as well, as if keeping her away from the rest of hte pack, not letting her get out with other dogs etc what kind of life is that?
Now this whole new thing of designer dogs! ok, 10 years ago? the same combinations of dogs would have been called a MUTT! so what? suddenly they are not? give me a break! recently long story short, we added a new member to our pack after mother and son had jumped the fence. when got them a little terrier mix was with them. HE was in bad shape to say the least! underweight, black crusties in the corner of each eye etc. knew who owned him, at least 97% sure, but ehy had ben gone for 2 days. Iwas gonna just keep, hubby thought about the possibile issue with that when they got back and happened to see or hear him over here. so we did it the right way. noone either ever showed upto claim or they decided not to return him and is now named Apollo and is part of the pack. What is he? well, from appearences both Jill our vet and I think Cairnpoo, aka Carin terrier and poodle, a small poodle, aka lets behonest, APollo is a MUTT.
So, people, rather then going and spending what like for Apollo, go to abreeder orpet store that sells pups, which are usually from puppy mills and pay from like 300-1000+? or go toa shelter near you and get a dog that is already here, and needs a new home. do what is best! THe only way we will ever get these puppy mills to go away is
1) stop buying from pet stores! no breeder whom is breeding to better a breed, a pure breed is gonna sell there pup via a pet store. they want to be sure that they are getting what they feel is the best home for them. unlike puppy mills whom only care about a dog as long as she can still have pups every cycvle and the boys as long as they can still stud. after they are wore out and can't anymore, they are usually put down. not to mention they live there whole lives in a tiny cage.
2) Get better and stricter laws about this.
If you are getting a dog from a breeder, even if its someone whom has breed a designer if thats what you want and have the money to spendon it,
1) find out why they decided to breed, if its a pure breed, what hcarateristics arethey breeding for?
2) how long have they bee breeding
3) when there females are not pregnant, or not using the males to stud, where are they sleeping, ask to see the dogs area as well as the puppy area.
4. and this is a biggy!!! ASK FOR RECOMENDATIONS from others whom have gotten pups from them.

mind you, most of these questions should also be asked if looking for one through a pet store, and can almost guarantee you, they likely would not be able to answer you and likely could not go check out the area they lived in before getting to that store. Once when just popped in to get something and they have there display cases withdogs, they had a white bull dog for sale for 1800! could tell it had either a cold or a kennel cough. asked these questions and the guly was like, ah, I don't know, let me see if my manager does. Of course he can;t answer you eitehr but will tell you, oh we would not get a dog from a puppy mill ever!!! liers.

IT all boils down to this. if looking for a dog and not set on a certain breed or only want a pup that you will be its only owner,go to a shelter. weather county, humane society or breed specific rescue. save one of these dogs!
If only want the pure breed, check the breeder out! prior customers, are they registared for that breed etc.

hopefully one day, laws will be tough enough, thes pet stores will be gone and so will the puppy mills. Till then, people need to be aware and think when getting a dog.

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Deb