Politics and religion.

**Puckstop31** · 10-27-2008, 05:54 AM

Opinions can change, values rarely do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iivL4c_3pck

1.) BO wants to take your money and give it to people who did not earn it.

2.) BO thinks the Constitution is the PROBLEM in this country.

Think long and hard about this people. Go past some petty feelings. THINK about what that means.

**Grace** · 10-27-2008, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

1.) BO wants to take your money and give it to people who did not earn it.

2.) BO thinks the Constitution is the PROBLEM in this country.

1. The Bush administration is handing out buckets of $$$ (our money) to the banks - did they 'earn' it? What about sugar subsidies?

2. Hmmm, and wasn't it George Bush who said about the Constitution of the United States - “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

**Puckstop31** · 10-27-2008, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by Grace

1. The Bush administration is handing out buckets of $$$ (our money) to the banks - did they 'earn' it? What about sugar subsidies?

2. Hmmm, and wasn't it George Bush who said about the Constitution of the United States - “It’s just a goddamned piece of paper!”

Come on Grace... I'd expect a deflection like this from the lefty drones here, but not you.

You are using Bush's actions as a excuse for BO doing the same thing? What? I thought BO was a man of "change". But it just seems like he IS more of the same...

Do you think wealth SHOULD be redistributed? Do you think the Constitution is the problem and not the answer?

**lizbud** · 10-27-2008, 10:39 AM

I've got a news flash for everyone, the government already taxes people
and "distributes the wealth" the way it sees fit. It's nothing new. Only thing
that should change is who gets the "perks". The wealthy & well connected,
or the average ,middle class folks who support (with taxes) their government.

**Grace** · 10-27-2008, 02:05 PM

I am saying that redistribution of money, in this country, is nothing new. Farm and sugar subsidies, graduated income tax, bailout of banks. I’m not saying I approve; I’m just stating a fact of life.

As for the Constitution, while it may be a problem for Obama, it was a bigger one for Bush. His administration has trashed it. I most certainly did not approve of that - but then he didn't request my approval

**Puckstop31** · 10-27-2008, 03:41 PM

I've got a news flash for everyone, the government already taxes people and "distributes the wealth" the way it sees fit. It's nothing new.

I am saying that redistribution of money, in this country, is nothing new. Farm and sugar subsidies, graduated income tax, bailout of banks. I’m not saying I approve; I’m just stating a fact of life.

As for the Constitution, while it may be a problem for Obama, it was a bigger one for Bush. His administration has trashed it. I most certainly did not approve of that - but then he didn't request my approval

OK, so we KNOW the government does it. Both "sides" do it. Yet we are willing to keep on letting them do it by putting them back in office?

Grace - You think BO will get your approval to further negate the Constitution? Look, we all know that Bush is the devil and most of what he did was bad. Lets move past that and NOT put another person, just like him OR WORSE in the White House. BO is on record, many, many times now, saying that the Constitution is the problem. Not that we don't adhere to it, but that it is THE problem. If that does not scare the crap out of you.... Well, then there really is no hope and it will come, eventually, to open armed conflict. Why? Because there are way to many people who took an oath to uphold and defend that document and what it stands for... Against ALL enemies, foreign or domestic. I took that oath, to defend the document and what it stands for, not the men and women in DC raping it. I keep my word. It is not time yet, but those storms clouds are getting nasty.

If there ever was a case for a 3rd party... This election is IT.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 10-27-2008, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

OK, so we KNOW the government does it. Both "sides" do it. Yet we are willing to keep on letting them do it by putting them back in office?

Grace - You think BO will get your approval to further negate the Constitution? Look, we all know that Bush is the devil and most of what he did was bad. Lets move past that and NOT put another person, just like him OR WORSE in the White House. BO is on record, many, many times now, saying that the Constitution is the problem. Not that we don't adhere to it, but that it is THE problem. If that does not scare the crap out of you.... Well, then there really is no hope and it will come, eventually, to open armed conflict. Why? Because there are way to many people who took an oath to uphold and defend that document and what it stands for... Against ALL enemies, foreign or domestic. I took that oath, to defend the document and what it stands for, not the men and women in DC raping it. I keep my word. It is not time yet, but those storms clouds are getting nasty.

If there ever was a case for a 3rd party... This election is IT.

The Constitution is not THE problem!!! It's the idiots who don't follow it. Bush had the support of Congress before he invaded Iraq, no matter what they are trying to make everyone believe now. I don't recall anywhere in the Constitution saying go invade another country if you don't like their leader!!!

If the Constitution falls, so does our country. At least it can't be amended by just one person.

By the way, I've heard the European Union is wanting to take over the banking systems of the world. Now THAT scares the bejeebers out of me.

**lizbud** · 10-28-2008, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

BO is on record, many, many times now, saying that the Constitution is the problem. Not that we don't adhere to it, but that it is THE problem. If that does not scare the crap out of you.... Well, then there really is no hope and it will come, eventually, to open armed conflict. .

Shall I warn the FBI now that you are inviting armed conflict among
citizens after this election? Do you realize how you sound saying all
this stuff?

Please, pretty please, show me your proof of Obama saying this the US
Constitution is a problem in any way.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 10-27-2008, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by lizbud

I've got a news flash for everyone, the government already taxes people
and "distributes the wealth" the way it sees fit. It's nothing new.

Yep, instead of playing Robbin Hood and taking from the rich and giving to the poor, they are taking from the poor and giving it to the rich!!!

Do oil companies REALLY deserve billions of dollars in profits while lots of people can't afford to heat their homes?

It's becoming whoever is the biggest crook wins!

**Puckstop31** · 10-27-2008, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by momoffuzzyfaces

Do oil companies REALLY deserve billions of dollars in profits while lots of people can't afford to heat their homes?

If they EARNED it, yes. But you want to go after a REAL evil greedy company? Pick on Google. Pick on Microsoft. Pick on APPLE.

8% "windfall" profits, that kind of money is chicken feed compared to Google.

**lizbud** · 10-27-2008, 05:01 PM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

If they EARNED it, yes. But you want to go after a REAL evil greedy company? Pick on Google. Pick on Microsoft. Pick on APPLE.

8% "windfall" profits, that kind of money is chicken feed compared to Google.

Sorry, but they have to get in line behind all the wall street investment
firms and large banking firms that need some of our"wealth" to put them back
in business.

**momoffuzzyfaces** · 10-28-2008, 12:54 PM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

If they EARNED it, yes. But you want to go after a REAL evil greedy company? Pick on Google. Pick on Microsoft. Pick on APPLE.

8% "windfall" profits, that kind of money is chicken feed compared to Google.

If I were president, you can bet your underwear, I would go after them if they were a US comany and subject to taxes!!!

**Puckstop31** · 10-28-2008, 01:23 PM

A long but excellent editorial. And NEUTRAL. Please read the whole thing. The best part is at the end.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=5

**Grace** · 10-28-2008, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by Puckstop31

A long but excellent editorial. And NEUTRAL. Please read the whole thing. The best part is at the end.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/Story?id=6099188&page=5

THIS is the link you should have posted. Yours takes one to the 5th page of the article, and I would have read only that. But you said the article was long, and that one page was short.