Politics and religion.

[lizbud]

Im well versed on the Palin Troopergate fiasco, but could you expound on McCains ethics violation please?

Just look up The Keating 5 Scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

[Lady's Human]

It's a damned shame the investigation sinto ACORN and voter fraud won't be complete before the elections.

Dallas Cowboys registered to vote in NV, 40,000 felons registered in FL, Dead people registered and voting from the grave.....

[RICHARD]

Dallas Cowboys registered to vote in NV,

They can read a playbook, but geography may not be a strong suit.


The only thing that really pulls me into this year of politics is the Health Care issues.

Let me tell you, gentle reader, that if you want to get totally screwed if you get sick, vote for the idiot who wants to nationalize health care.

There will be blood, when and if the government takes over the HC system.
People should look to the idiots driving the bus to reform the system, not take it over.

The level of care will suffer and the statement about getting the same level of care that either one of those two gets, as members of the Senate, makes me want to pull down my pants to clear the smoke from my crotch.

You won't get anywhere near the care or facilities they enjoy. Matter of fact,
the health plan that I worked for encouraged the "partners" -doctors and the patients were 'customers' - not to order diagnostic screening like x-rays, blood tests and other tests.

If you hate to see people dying in facilities waiting to see a physician, wait for socialized HC, 12 hour ER room visits will be the norm.

Pack a lunch, sweater and War and Peace. You might get over your illness before you see a doctor.

On second thought, make out a will while you wait,.

[Edwina's Secretary]

How fascinating RICHARD that you know what the medical care system would be like under a single payer system as opposed to the system we currently have.

I again bring up the statistic that our system is 37th in the world in care, #1 in cost.

I just finished the medical benefit renewal for a client of mine. They are a small, strugglng manufacturing company in LA County.

Thanks to an outstanding broker we were able to bring it in at a 6% increase. Family coverage is $1,434 a month.

It is not a top plan -- middle of the pack I'd say. We did that by carving out some things -- employees will have to pay more. And both the company and the employees will pay 6% more than they are paying now.

I find it interesting that so many other countries can figure out a way to go to a single payer system and provide better care than we do. I have more faith in the people of the United States than to say we cannot do what others have done.

(And those who are going to respond with anecdotal experience of bad service in other countries -- I am sure there are service issue. But here too. How many people have died in waiting rooms this year?)

[RICHARD]

What?

I find it interesting that someone is interested in the interesting costs of having a HC system interested in giving a person coverage at just under 1500 dollars, without having to pay interest,

I guess it is true what people say about reading comprehension.

Some people get it.

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If you are interested about costs and numbers.....37, 1, 25 or 6 two four?
Look into what med implants cost. And why they cost so much. Then find a few salespeople to speak to.

With apologies to all who have relatives in that field-Most of them are greedy AHs with the soul of a gnat, they have no qualms about getting a contract at any means and will literally try to tell you that the sun sets in the east.

[Randi]

All I'll say about this is that I'm happy to pay a higher tax and know that everyone in Denmark can be treated for free in a hospital, and of course go to a doctor free of charge. We do pay some for dental visits, though.

This is how our system works: http://www.im.dk/publikationer/healthcare_in_dk/all.htm

[RICHARD]

All I'll say about this is that I'm happy to pay a higher tax and know that everyone in Denmark can be treated for free in a hospital, and of course go to a doctor free of charge. We do pay some for dental visits, though.

This is how our system works: http://www.im.dk/publikationer/healthcare_in_dk/all.htm

The HC system here in the US is very costly because of the laws, the lawsuits and the beliefs - propagated by stupid TV shows - that you can have a pill or procedure that will cure you of everything.

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I have used this example time and time again.

A stainless steel screw, used to fix fractures in bones, can cost around 50-60 dollars. THat was a few years ago. Because the screw has a special bit to insert it and a special thread the costs go up because the facility has to purchase or rent a special drill to use. Then the costs to keep that driver in service are another consideration.

For sixty dollars you can purchase a few boxes of stainless steel screws at a home repair center.

There are tons of costs related to the screw. Research and development, manufacturing, insurance and ???? Many people will RUN to a lawyer and in some cases rightly so, should a medical device fail or not work.

On TV there are regular ads from lawyers that ask, 'if you took X medicine, or had X treatment and your loved one died or is still ill, call our office, you may be eligible for a cash settlement for you pain and suffering...."

It makes me think of people getting paid to be ill, as sucky as that sounds-

Malpractice is another consideration, but why would a doctor make mistakes like that?

IT's a mess and money has a great deal to do with it.

[Puckstop31]

Initeresting commentary.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1224...s_opinion_main

"Americans voting for "change" should know they may get far more than they ever imagined."


BO as President? Fine. BO as President with Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid in charge of a filibuster proof Congress? You know, the Congress with the lowest approval ratings, EVER.


But, like I have said before.... We will get the government we deserve. The more we look to "Big Brother" to solve our problems... Well, we will get what we deserve.

[RICHARD]

Did anyone notice the crowd at that roast yesterday?

Did people stand up when JM approached the dais? I noticed that the 'unbiased' were knocking chairs over to give BO a standing O.

I really didn't pay attention to it because, as one commentator lamented, "People are losing their homes, jobs and money and these two are joking about it.

I did catch the clip of JM on the Less-than-man Show and the look on Dave's face when JM told him he was going to pay more in taxes.

ANd what is the "John", instead of "Senator" trip that everyone is on?

I can hardly wait to see Dave falling over himself to interview Senator O-blah-ma

[Puckstop31]

A good speech by JM. Still not voting for him, but he says the things that need to be said. Still, if he could follow through with just half of this....

It's great to be here in Miami. Florida is a must-win state on November 4th, and with your help, we're going to win Florida, and bring change to Washington, DC. We had a good debate this week. You may have noticed-- there was a lot of talk about Senator Obama's tax increases and Joe the Plumber. Last weekend, Senator Obama showed up in Joe's driveway to ask for his vote, and Joe asked Senator Obama a tough question. I'm glad he did; I think Senator Obama could use a few more tough questions.

The response from Senator Obama and his campaign yesterday was to attack Joe. People are digging through his personal life and he has TV crews camped out in front of his house. He didn't ask for Senator Obama to come to his house. He wasn't recruited or prompted by our campaign. He just asked a question. And Americans ought to be able to ask Senator Obama tough questions without being smeared and targeted with political attacks.

The question Joe asked about our economy is important, because Senator Obama's plan would raise taxes on small businesses that employ 16 million Americans. Senator Obama's plan will kill those jobs at just the time when we need to be creating more jobs. My plan will create jobs, and that's what America needs.

Senator Obama says that he wanted to spread your wealth around. When politicians talk about taking your money and spreading it around, you'd better hold onto your wallet. Senator Obama claims that wants to give a tax break to the middle class, but not only did he vote for higher taxes on the middle class in the Senate, his plan gives away your tax dollars to those who don't pay taxes.

That's not a tax cut, that's welfare. America didn't become the greatest nation on earth by redistributing wealth; we became the greatest nation by creating new wealth.

This is the choice that we face. These are hard times. Our economy is in crisis. Americans are fighting in two wars. We face many enemies in this dangerous world, and many challenges here at home.

The next President won't have time to get used to the office. He won't have the luxury of studying up on the issues before he acts. He will have to act immediately. And to do that, he will need experience, courage, judgment and a bold plan of action to take this country in a new direction. We cannot spend the next four years as we have spent much of the last eight: waiting for our luck to change. We have to act immediately. I said it at the last debate: I'm not George Bush; if Senator Obama wants to run against George Bush, he should have run for President 4 years ago. We need a new direction now. We have to fight for it. I've been fighting for this country since I was seventeen years old, and I have the scars to prove it. If I'm elected President, I will fight to take America in a new direction from my first day in office until my last. I'm not afraid of the fight, I'm ready for it.

I'm not going to spend $700 billion dollars of your money just bailing out the Wall Street bankers and brokers who got us into this mess. I'm going to make sure we take care of the people who were devastated by the excesses of Wall Street and Washington. I'm going to spend a lot of that money to bring relief to you, and I'm not going to wait sixty days to start doing it.

I have a plan to protect the value of your home and get it rising again by buying up bad mortgages and refinancing them so if your neighbor defaults he doesn't bring down the value of your house with him.

I have a plan to let retirees and people nearing retirement keep their money in their retirement accounts longer so they can rebuild their savings. I will protect Social Security so that retirees get the benefits they have earned, and I will bring both parties together to fix Social Security so that it is there for future generations.

I have a plan to hold the line on taxes and cut them to make America more competitive and create jobs here at home.

Raising taxes makes a bad economy much worse. Keeping taxes low creates jobs, keeps money in your hands and strengthens our economy.

The explosion of government spending over the last eight years has put us deeper in debt to foreign countries that don't have our best interests at heart. It weakened the dollar and made everything you buy more expensive.

If I'm elected President, I won't spend nearly a trillion dollars more of your money, on top of the $700 billion we just gave the Treasury Secretary, as Senator Obama proposes. Because he can't do that without raising your taxes or digging us further into debt. I'm going to make government live on a budget just like you do.

I will freeze government spending on all but the most important programs like defense, veterans care, Social Security and health care until we scrub every single government program and get rid of the ones that aren't working for the American people. And I will veto every single pork barrel bill Congresses passes.

If I'm elected President, I won't fine small businesses and families with children, as Senator Obama proposes, to force them into a new huge government run health care program, while he keeps the cost of the fine a secret until he hits you with it. I will bring down the skyrocketing cost of health care with competition and choice to lower your premiums, and make it more available to more Americans. I'll make sure you can keep the same health plan if you change jobs or leave a job to stay home.

I will provide every single American family with a $5000 refundable tax credit to help them purchase insurance. Workers who already have health care insurance from their employers will keep it and have more money to cover costs. Workers who don't have health insurance can use it to find a policy anywhere in this country to meet their basic needs.

If I'm elected President, I won't raise taxes on small businesses, as Senator Obama proposes, and force them to cut jobs. I will keep small business taxes where they are, help them keep their costs low, and let them spend their earnings to create more jobs.

If I'm elected President, I won't meet unconditionally with the Castro brothers, while they keep political prisoners in jail, stifle free media and block free elections in Cuba. When I am President, we are going to pressure the Cuban government to free their people. The day is coming when Cuba will be free. I will open new markets to goods made in America and make sure our trade is free and fair. And I'll make sure we help workers who've lost a job that won't come back find a new one that won't go away.

If I'm elected President, I won't make it harder to sell our goods overseas and kill more jobs as Senator Obama proposes. I will open new markets to goods made in America and make sure our trade is free and fair. And I'll make sure we help workers who've lost a job that won't come back find a new one that won't go away.

The last President to raise taxes and restrict trade in a bad economy as Senator Obama proposes was Herbert Hoover. That turned a recession into a depression. They say those who don't learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. Well, my friends, I know my history lessons, and I sure won't make the mistakes Senator Obama will.

If I'm elected President, we're going to stop sending $700 billion to countries that don't like us very much. I won't argue to delay drilling for more oil and gas and building new nuclear power plants in America, as Senator Obama does. We will start new drilling now. We will invest in all energy alternativesÊ-- nuclear, wind, solar, and tide. We will encourage the manufacture of hybrid, flex fuel and electric automobiles. We will invest in clean coal technology. We will lower the cost of energy within months, and we will create millions of new jobs.

Let me give you the state of the race today. We have 18 days to go. We're 6 points down. The national media has written us off. Senator Obama is measuring the drapes, and planning with Speaker Pelosi and Senator Reid to raise taxes, increase spending, take away your right to vote by secret ballot in labor elections, and concede defeat in Iraq. But they forgot to let you decide. My friends, we've got them just where we want them.

What America needs in this hour is a fighter; someone who puts all his cards on the table and trusts the judgment of the American people. I come from a long line of McCains who believed that to love America is to fight for her. I have fought for you most of my life. There are other ways to love this country, but I've never been the kind to do it from the sidelines.

I know you're worried. America is a great country, but we are at a moment of national crisis that will determine our future. Will we continue to lead the world's economies or will we be overtaken? Will the world become safer or more dangerous? Will our military remain the strongest in the world? Will our children and grandchildren's future be brighter than ours?

My answer to you is yes. Yes, we will lead. Yes, we will prosper. Yes, we will be safer. Yes, we will pass on to our children a stronger, better country. But we must be prepared to act swiftly, boldly, with courage and wisdom.

I know what fear feels like. It's a thief in the night who robs your strength. I know what hopelessness feels like. It's an enemy who defeats your will. I felt those things once before. I will never let them in again. I'm an American. And I choose to fight.

Don't give up hope. Be strong. Have courage. And fight.

Fight for a new direction for our country. Fight for what's right for America. Fight to clean up the mess of corruption, infighting and selfishness in Washington.

Fight to get our economy out of the ditch and back in the lead.

Fight for the ideals and character of a free people.

Fight for our children's future.

Fight for justice and opportunity for all.

Stand up to defend our country from its enemies.

Stand up, stand up, stand up and fight. America is worth fighting for. Nothing is inevitable here. We never give up. We never quit. We never hide from history. We make history.

Now, let's go win this election and get this country moving again.

[blue]

Just look up The Keating 5 Scandal

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keating_Five

From the article you linked.

Senators John Glenn and John McCain were cleared of having acted improperly but were criticized for having exercised "poor judgment".

[lizbud]

From the article you linked.

McCain was censored for lack of ethics & lack of judgement. He had to
get on his knees and beg to keep his job.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_128807.html

[blue]

McCain was censored for lack of ethics & lack of judgement. He had to
get on his knees and beg to keep his job.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_128807.html

You couldnt find a less biased website as a source? Your second link showwed nothing in the way of him being censored or begging to keep his job.

Try this one, source.

In the end, McCain received only a mild rebuke from the Ethics Committee for exercising "poor judgment" for intervening with the federal regulators on behalf of Keating. Still, he felt tarred by the affair.

"The appearance of it was wrong," McCain said. "It's a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do."

McCain noted that Bennett, the independent counsel, recommended that McCain and Glenn be dropped from the investigation.

[Puckstop31]

Mickey is a Democrat? Who knew?

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politic...icle852295.ece


I wonder why we don't hear more about ACORN? Oh wait... I know. LOL

[Puckstop31]

"Investigators probing ACORN have learned that an Ohio man registered to vote several times and cast a bogus ballot with a fake address, officials said yesterday, as they revealed that nearly 4,000 registration applications supplied by the left-leaning activist group were suspect. "

http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008...orn_133540.htm



"Teenager Freddie Johnson said he was offered smokes and dollar bills to fill out voter registration cards. "

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaind...860.xml&coll=2



And of course.... BO "distances" himself from ANOTHER shady "friend".

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1223...mEditorialPage



BO has a clear lead. Why does all this need to happen? OR, if he really has nothing to do with it, condemn it.