A new level of insane

[Catty1]

What I find interesting is the idea expressed in the article that it is all right to commit a crime in order to prevent a larger and greater crime.

Perhaps it's about time that deliberate pollution (as in the pending decision to build another coal-fired plant in the UK) was seen as a larger and greater crime.

And hey - no one could pay ME to go up a stack that size. These weren't kids spraying graffiti on buildings.

If you agree that there is a greater and larger crime here, then this is ok.

I kinda like it.

[Lady's Human]

"Coal fired plants"......

There's a piece of equipment that's almost as misunderstood as nuclear power plants.

With modern scrubber equipment, the pollution from a coal fired plant is minimal.

Want to prevent massive releases of greenhouse gasses? Find a way to cap volcanoes.

[RICHARD]

Want to prevent massive releases of greenhouse gasses? Find a way to cap volcanoes.

LOL, which team?

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Had one of the miscreants fallen to their deaths the company would have been sued to the hilt and still penalized.

I don't understand.

[Puckstop31]

What I find interesting is the idea expressed in the article that it is all right to commit a crime in order to prevent a larger and greater crime.

Perhaps it's about time that deliberate pollution (as in the pending decision to build another coal-fired plant in the UK) was seen as a larger and greater crime.

And hey - no one could pay ME to go up a stack that size. These weren't kids spraying graffiti on buildings.

If you agree that there is a greater and larger crime here, then this is ok.

I kinda like it.

Well, if the enviro-nazis are right, PEOPLE are the main cause of 'global warming'. By the precedent this ruling gives, then I suppose by your logic that homicide is now justifiable? You may roll your eyes at me for saying that, but by the letter of that law and given this precedent.... Basically what you get from this is that "crime" becomes a relative term. Civilized society cannot endure that. The RULE of law must be the RULE of law.

What is most utterly shocking to me is that the jury who gave this ruling is SO brainwashed that they could not even consider the precedent being set and just what that means.

I hope they have jury nullification in the UK.

[Lady's Human]

If the ruling stands, ELF is going to have a field day in the UK.

[Catty1]

PS - Homicide is ok if the person killed is holding a weapon (a machine gun, say) that could wipe out quite a few people in a few seconds.

I only wish that coal-fired plants were all up to standard in their cleaning and scrubbing maintenance. There are a few in Alberta, and I ought to look into that.

And when we run out of coal?....

[Ginger's Mom]

PS - Homicide is ok if the person killed is holding a weapon (a machine gun, say) that could wipe out quite a few people in a few seconds.

Actually, it is only "ok" to defend yourself or others against someone with a weapon if that person gives an indication that they are going to use that weapon to harm another human being. Simply possessing elements that could cause greater harm to another is not enough. Many of us probably already possess weapons that can wipe out quite a few people (i.e. cars), that doesn't mean that it will result in greater harm.

[Lady's Human]

And when we run out of coal?....

I'd say check with me when it happens, but our great-great grandchildren MIGHT maybe start to be worried about that.

[Catty1]

I'd say check with me when it happens, but our great-great grandchildren MIGHT maybe start to be worried about that.

Point taken. If there are no other alternatives, including cleaner ones (that don't need scrubbers - how much energy do scrubbers use? Those suckers ain't tiny!) by then, coal power is gonna get more expensive as time goes on, and possibly quite unaffordable before great-grandchildren come along.

As the election plods on here, everything from a punitive 'carbon tax' for 'cap and trade' is being bandied about. There are pretty good environmental standards for the manufacturing industry in the USA - which is why a lot of companies moved work to Mexico, where there are no standards. Too bad the money involved in building coal plants and lowering standards in places like Mexico couldn't be put towards research and implementation of green technology.

Would be nice if it was against the law to pollute. An interesting concept, that's all.

[sparks19]

Would be nice if it was against the law to pollute. An interesting concept, that's all.

Errrr?

and how exactly would that be enforced? They coudln't drive out to arrest you because their cars cause pollution.

You recycle? that causes pollution.

Do you wash your hair? that likely causes some kind of pollution on it's own... not to mention when you dispose of the empty bottles.

[sparks19]

PS - Homicide is ok if the person killed is holding a weapon (a machine gun, say) that could wipe out quite a few people in a few seconds.

I only wish that coal-fired plants were all up to standard in their cleaning and scrubbing maintenance. There are a few in Alberta, and I ought to look into that.

And when we run out of coal?....

yes but that is self defense.... by the wording of this law you would be murdering them because they are polluting the earth... and that would be OK. I mean that is a pretty extreme situation but if you really think of it a "good" lawyer would probably be able to say "Hey... they killed them to prevent greater damage... they didn't recycle and drove a gas guzzling SUV and wasted water so they were a danger to the earth so they had to be disposed of"

and just what exactly did this vandalism stop? Did it prevent greater damage? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. I wonder if their spray paint and what not gave off hazardous fumes.... I wonder what kind of cleaner will need to be used to clean it?

[Puckstop31]

PS - Homicide is ok if the person killed is holding a weapon (a machine gun, say) that could wipe out quite a few people in a few seconds.

THAT is not homicide. That is self defence.

I see where you are going. I am more than prepared for what you propose. Are you?

And when we run out of coal?....

Given current and predicted future consumption rates, the US alone has 300 years of supply.

[Catty1]

Hi, PS...this thread progressed a little in conversation since you last posted. Care to comment on the latest changes in it instead of going back to the earlier posts?

[Puckstop31]

Hi, PS...this thread progressed a little in conversation since you last posted. Care to comment on the latest changes in it instead of going back to the earlier posts?

I am all for living in a way that is kind to nature. Really. It is the undisciplined MORONS of the type that were aquitted in the OP article that scare, no, worry me. Further, people who believe the enviroMENTAList extremist point of view are a, IMHO, direct threat to our way of life. Really.

Look at how fast the human race has advanced in the last 200 years. WHY? The energy produced by fossil fuels. The end goal of the extremist is to have us living like the 18th century. And, personally, I would have no problem with that. I can grow my own food, hunt my own food, build shelter and survive/thrive in such an environment. But what of the masses of urbanites? What of the extremists themselves? I doubt any of those people even consider that. What will they do when there is no supermarket and Starbucks?

I believe in the ability of humanity to overcome. We can figure out how to live in balance without sacrificing our way of life. We just gotta stop catering things to the lowest common denominator.