Why isn't MORE being said -

[momoffuzzyfaces]

So, let me get this straight...

- Some animals hunt and kill other animals for food. Meaning they deliberately kill them.

- Animals are "in some cases" a higher life form. If they kill, for food, how does that make humans bad for doing the same thing?

Because we were given the freedom of reasoning and choice. Few animals kill just for the sport of it. Men can survive by being vegetable eaters, some animals can't. We can reason and invent alternate ways of surviving, animals can't.

[RICHARD]

Again, When man boxes off areas that animals live they protect and sometimes disrupt all living things in that area. This is all simple science and the rule of "Only the Strong Survive".


Get a pool and fill it with 100 goldfish. soon you'll have 200 if you care and fee them.

Put a shark in the pool, THe shark needs to eat, soon you have 1 shark and no gold fish. Because the shark won't eat fish flakes, It will die of hunger

When we start to mess with the balances of nature we screw things up.

Same thiing with wolves.IF we leave them alone in areas set aside as conservation parks, they will overhunt the other animals in the area until there is no more food.

Man sometimes has to step in, and as nasty as it sounds, take care of the messes he made and try to set things right.

[shais_mom]

Again, When man boxes off areas that animals live they protect and sometimes disrupt all living things in that area. This is all simple science and the rule of "Only the Strong Survive".


Get a pool and fill it with 100 goldfish. soon you'll have 200 if you care and fee them.

Put a shark in the pool, THe shark needs to eat, soon you have 1 shark and no gold fish. Because the shark won't eat fish flakes, It will die of hunger

When we start to mess with the balances of nature we screw things up.

Same thiing with wolves.IF we leave them alone in areas set aside as conservation parks, they will overhunt the other animals in the area until there is no more food.

Man sometimes has to step in, and as nasty as it sounds, take care of the messes he made and try to set things right.

ITA Richard. Well said!!!
I suppose this is why I stay out of the dog house b/c each person feels just as passionately about their issue as the next and in some cases no one is going to change the minds of the other.

[momoffuzzyfaces]

ITA Richard. Well said!!!
I suppose this is why I stay out of the dog house b/c each person feels just as passionately about their issue as the next and in some cases no one is going to change the minds of the other.

That's ok! We can still care about each other even if we have different opinions.

[RICHARD]

That's ok! We can still care about each other even if we have different opinions.

I don't watch the show, Entourage, But I know about the saying that one of the characters has....


Hug it out!



SM,
THanks for following my typing, spelling and dropping words! My mind runs faster than my fingers.

[lizbud]

Because we were given the freedom of reasoning and choice. Few animals kill just for the sport of it. Men can survive by being vegetable eaters, some animals can't. We can reason and invent alternate ways of surviving, animals can't.

I agree with you 100 %. Both in this post and the previous post quoting
Mark Twain.

Here's another quote "lifted" from Finn's Mom

"The idea that some lives matter less is the root of all that is wrong with the world. - Dr. Paul Farmer "

[Puckstop31]

Because we were given the freedom of reasoning and choice. Few animals kill just for the sport of it. Men can survive by being vegetable eaters, some animals can't. We can reason and invent alternate ways of surviving, animals can't.

And yet Animals are superior to us?

But I digress.... Have you ever done any honest research into just how much honest and controlled hunting actually does more than anything else in keeping animal populations healthy? Like, imagine a world without deer hunting. Do you know what would happen? Deer population explodes, deer eat large amount of farmers corn... Corn drives a large part of our food supply, either directly or indirectly. Wanna pay 8 bux a gallon for milk?

Now I can understand how some people can feel the way they do about hunting and hunters. Perhaps in your mind I am just some evil kind of animal and that is OK. I just take heart in the fact that I KNOW the work I do with the NRA, NWTF, my hunting license fees, my 'gun club', ammo taxes, and so forth do more to expand and preserve animals and their habitat than will ever be made 100% known or understood to the public.

/rant

[caseysmom]

Okay to lighten things up a flock of turkeys was just walking down my very suburban street and I thought of you puckstop

[sparks19]

Okay to lighten things up a flock of turkeys was just walking down my very suburban street and I thought of you puckstop

BE QUIET!!!!!

LOL

I'm getting burnt out on Turkey talk lol. I'm tired of waking in the night to hear " *cries* come back turkey... come back" LOL just kidding He doesn't talk in his sleep... only snores. But I do hear about turkeys a lot. If he doesn't get one this year I don't know how I will make it through

[caseysmom]

BE QUIET!!!!!

LOL

I'm getting burnt out on Turkey talk lol. I'm tired of waking in the night to hear " *cries* come back turkey... come back" LOL just kidding He doesn't talk in his sleep... only snores. But I do hear about turkeys a lot. If he doesn't get one this year I don't know how I will make it through

He could have picked one off sitting on my lawn One of the neighborhood teenagers came flying around the corner, I thought for a minute I should start warming up the oven

[RICHARD]

I have to post a thougt...

I have seen tons of videos about people who have exotic animals that they have adopted into their lives. Pigs, horses, crocs and the duck that would fly along the car of the person who was 'adopted' by that animal.

Each of us has that one pet/family member that is extraordinary because of the attachment we have with them.

MY pet is a --------. All other -------- are not as special as mine.

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One of the most impressive things that I have ever heard of is the reverence that hunters, who rely on the earth and the bounty from it, have.


Many cultures will stop after they kill game for food and say a prayer-to the land, the soul of the creature and their luck in being able to feed their family.

Today we send out the 'bread winner' to earn money so we can bypass the nasty side of gutting any meat we put on the table. Subtract 150 years from the calendar and and try to find a nice steak in town!

They saddest part of 'bringing home the bacon' is that we would starve before we would kill an animal for food. If we respect the world around us and
can use thought and care about the living things in it, we will be that much more informed as to how the world works.

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In some cultures or religions people will say a prayer before a meal, to honor the animal that sits in the plate on the table.

Why?

I can only guess.

But, I suspect it's an acknowledgement of the person, circumstance and luck that was able to fill the plate. It's a homage to the land and how it was not to be taken for granted.

We all know how to order thru the drive-in at the local fast food joint.

If we have to forage for ourselves how do we get a meal?

I do know how to dress an animal in order to use the meat for food. I read it in a book and hope that I well never HAVE to do it. People who do provide meat for their families should not be treated as cruel.

I stop and wonder if I had to stay at home and send my GF, SO, wife to pick up a pound of moose meat from the local treeline.

I'd starve if I waited for a 'modern' woman to gut, skin and butcher my dinner.
I do not mean this as a slam to gals here in 2008. It's just a reminder that any woman is just as good a man should we need to depend on each other.

Native Americans ranked women the same as a good tool, a horse or and asset to live. Not because they were material objects0it was they were needed to survive
Show me a gal who hunts, fishes and doesn't need me me to go out and kill a meal?

She is golden.

Women should not be thought of as equal.
Women are not strong.
Women are figure heads.
Women are dumb beings who don't have any voice.
Women cannot do anything on their own.

My RB GF was special. She went from boats in the San Pedro harbor to sleeping on the ground in the mountains of SoCal.

But, I'd would have tossed her aside in an instant.
She never learned how to start a fire with a magnesium 'match'.

[Puckstop31]

He could have picked one off sitting on my lawn One of the neighborhood teenagers came flying around the corner, I thought for a minute I should start warming up the oven

You wound me so.





This spring was really frustrating. I took a noob along with me. (Don't get me wrong, he is one of my best friends and a life long hunter. Just not a turkey hunter and turkey hunting is WAY more challenging.) He would not sit still. He kept moving and rolling and making noise. LOL Tool. Anyway, one morning I worked one in really, really close. Like 10 more feet and my buddy would have had a shot. Don't know what happened but he got scared. I think his line of sight to the decoys was blocked by this old tree. Once he could not see "the prize", he bailed. LOL

First time I ever got one that close and did not harvest it. But, what are ya gonna do? LOL It still was a lot of fun and a great rush. He was gobbling up a storm and eating up my calling. Odd that he gets lazy that close. Ya win some, you lose some.


May I ask where in California you live? I have not heard of good turkey hunting in Cali.

[caseysmom]

You wound me so.





This spring was really frustrating. I took a noob along with me. (Don't get me wrong, he is one of my best friends and a life long hunter. Just not a turkey hunter and turkey hunting is WAY more challenging.) He would not sit still. He kept moving and rolling and making noise. LOL Tool. Anyway, one morning I worked one in really, really close. Like 10 more feet and my buddy would have had a shot. Don't know what happened but he got scared. I think his line of sight to the decoys was blocked by this old tree. Once he could not see "the prize", he bailed. LOL

First time I ever got one that close and did not harvest it. But, what are ya gonna do? LOL It still was a lot of fun and a great rush. He was gobbling up a storm and eating up my calling. Odd that he gets lazy that close. Ya win some, you lose some.


May I ask where in California you live? I have not heard of good turkey hunting in Cali.

I am in a suburb of Sacramento, actually there are lots of turkeys roaming around where I work also.

[RICHARD]

One of the neighborhood teenagers came flying around the corner, I thought for a minute I should start warming up the oven

Was it Hansel or Gretel?

[momoffuzzyfaces]

And yet Animals are superior to us?

Now I can understand how some people can feel the way they do about hunting and hunters. Perhaps in your mind I am just some evil kind of animal and that is OK. I just take heart in the fact that I KNOW the work I do with the NRA, NWTF, my hunting license fees, my 'gun club', ammo taxes, and so forth do more to expand and preserve animals and their habitat than will ever be made 100% known or understood to the public.

/rant

Well, I've never had a animal break into my house and rob me at gun point or deliberately hurt me for no reason. So, yes, they are superior to us in lots of ways.

FYI, my parents and brother all hunted and taught me how to shoot. I just decided to never kill. The evil is what you hunt and the intent behind it. Watching an animal fight for its live has never pleased me.
I just rather shoot animals with a camera and let them live in the peace they have granted me.