Yeah, I hate knee rolls. I think they cause you to rely on them instead of developing independent leg. My requirements for the saddle I bought were no knee rolls, 17", and quality that would last. I actually have never ridden in my saddle. I bought it I think almost three years ago when I thought I'd be switching back to a barn where I could shareboard and use my own saddle but I realized that the trainer I had then was really great and the trainers at the barn I was planning on going to were really not that great and not that nice. So, my saddle has been sitting on a hand made saddle rack in the corner of my room ever since, because I like it so much and I figured I'll probably need it some day. I thought I got a good deal for it, since it retails for over $600.