McCain/Palin ???

[Lady's Human]

It has nothing at all to do with being weak.

It as to do with realising the fact that this is first and foremost a PET discussion forum, and it's just not worth getting that upset over what are, to the purposes of this board, ancillary issues.

We're here for pets, not politics.

[Bonny]

I do understand the Brit way of things I have a full blooded Brit sister in law. She was a full fledged republican until her son was sent to Iraq. Now she is has decided the war was wrong because her son was sent Iraq. He is a military career person & it was his time to serve. He did over seas service to get out of going to Iraq but it caught up to him eventually. You never know how you are going to be affected by world politics. My sister in law and her family survived the Blitz & decided they had enough & moved to the US after war II & became US citizens. Anyone at anytime is affected one way or another by the actions of everyone.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Here are some positions Ms. Palin has taken:

- opposes abortion even in cases of rape or incest
- sued the federal government to have polar bears taken off the endangered species list
- has said creationism should be taught in schools
- advocated a constitutional ban on providing healthcare benefits to same -sex partners

[Suki Wingy]

All are very strong reasons I should not vote for a ballot with her on it.

[Edwina's Secretary]

Oh what a dilemma the Republicans have! Do they have a convention if New Orleans is under threat again???

Of course...drawing attention to NO reminds people of just how DREADFULLY the current administration dropped the ball the first time. But then again...it IS an excuse to Keep Boy George and Dead Shot Dick away from the convention.

So now McC is not going to the convention until later in the week if at all. What will he do to save NO?? Will he stick his finger in the levees to prevent them from breaking? Will he turn back the winds and cause them to return to Cuba to wreak more havoc there? Or will he just stand around trying to look presidential for the photo opts? Let me guess! He will have on either a windbreaker or be in rolled up shirt sleeves. Something very macho. A very concerned look on his face as some poor local points out the obvious to him...

Even Laura Bush and Cindy McCain have been taken off the speaking schedule. Need lots of fingers for those levees!

But here is my favorite quote from McC about the situation....

“This is a time when we have to do away with our party politics and we have to act as Americans,”

uh...what were they acting as before? Brazilians?

[sparks19]

I don't know... but if tragedy strikes New Orleans again... there better be fingers pointed at those who are truly responsible. Those levees should have been built up LONG before even Katrina... but NOOOOOOOOOOOO buildling a new sports stadium was more important *tsk tsk*

[jazzcat]

Oh what a dilemma the Republicans have! Do they have a convention if New Orleans is under threat again???

Of course...drawing attention to NO reminds people of just how DREADFULLY the current administration dropped the ball the first time. But then again...it IS an excuse to Keep Boy George and Dead Shot Dick away from the convention.

So now McC is not going to the convention until later in the week if at all. What will he do to save NO?? Will he stick his finger in the levees to prevent them from breaking? Will he turn back the winds and cause them to return to Cuba to wreak more havoc there? Or will he just stand around trying to look presidential for the photo opts? Let me guess! He will have on either a windbreaker or be in rolled up shirt sleeves. Something very macho. A very concerned look on his face as some poor local points out the obvious to him...

Even Laura Bush and Cindy McCain have been taken off the speaking schedule. Need lots of fingers for those levees!

But here is my favorite quote from McC about the situation....

uh...what were they acting as before? Brazilians?

Wow.

So I guess this means you will only buy the magazines with a cover of Obama in a windbreaker/rolled up shirt sleeves? I'm sure you'll have many to choose.

[kuhio98]

Well, if you want to point fingers, you have to start with Mayor Ray Nagin and Governor Kathleen Blanco. They were onsite and dropped the ball.

[RICHARD]

So I guess this means you will only buy the magazines with a cover of Obama in a windbreaker/rolled up shirt sleeves? I'm sure you'll have many to choose.

What about the screensavers, too?

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I loved the way Nagin spoke down to the citizen's, "get your butts out"????

LOL, Had that been any other hack the people would have risen up and claimed some kind of hurt for being disrespected.

I also enjoyed the way that he put it on the people, "We can't protect you!" So, now he can blame everyone who didn't listen.


And seriously, what about BO making this one state his cause? What about the other 56 states?

Hearts and minds-because the votes will follow.

Oh, I forgot, he is the president!

[Marigold2]

Apperently this woman thinks she is the moral police, she must have a private pipe line to God.
We might as well all move to Iraq if this is the way the US is turning. Teaching creationism in school
That's just insane. What about freedom of religon, which also means freedom from religon. Will we be burned at the stake if we don't agree.
I think she should tell Ellen that Porta can't have healthcare.
This woman is a danger to our freedom, and for all who are gay, for all who can't afford to raise a child or don't want to.

Here are some positions Ms. Palin has taken:

- opposes abortion even in cases of rape or incest
- sued the federal government to have polar bears taken off the endangered species list
- has said creationism should be taught in schools
- advocated a constitutional ban on providing healthcare benefits to same -sex partners

[Lady's Human]

Gov Palin on teaching Creationism in schools:

In an interview Thursday, Palin said she meant only to say that discussion of alternative views should be allowed to arise in Alaska classrooms:

"I don't think there should be a prohibition against debate if it comes up in class. It doesn't have to be part of the curriculum."

She added that, if elected, she would not push the state Board of Education to add such creation-based alternatives to the state's required curriculum.

Members of the state school board, which sets minimum requirements, are appointed by the governor and confirmed by the Legislature.

"I won't have religion as a litmus test, or anybody's personal opinion on evolution or creationism," Palin said.

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politics/ele...-8243554c.html

Polar Bears have been discussed in another thread, the Polar Bear population is at it's highest point since record keeping began, yet they are still listed as endangered?

Doesn't make sense, and she was right to do what she did, IMHO.


Constitutional ban on benefits to same sex partners?

Yes, but as Governor vetoed a bill which would have denied those benefits as unconstitutional. In other words, a constructionist view of the Constitution.

[sparks19]

Apperently this woman thinks she is the moral police, she must have a private pipe line to God.
We might as well all move to Iraq if this is the way the US is turning. Teaching creationism in school
That's just insane. What about freedom of religon, which also means freedom from religon. Will we be burned at the stake if we don't agree.
I think she should tell Ellen that Porta can't have healthcare.
This woman is a danger to our freedom, and for all who are gay, for all who can't afford to raise a child or don't want to.

Well what about those who don't believe in Evolution.

should THAT be taught?

Some people don't believe in it and there is no scientific PROOF that that's what happened. but THAT seems to be OK.

that seems to be OK with those who don't believe in any faith or religion yet it doesn't matter how it affects those who DP believe in faith or religion. there is no PROOF... DON'T teach it... PERIOD. Any mention of evolution could be JUST as offensive to the faint of heart as creationism.

I'm sick of the God hating just becasue some don't believe in it... but if families don't want evolution taught they are to go ELSEWHERE to learn.

[Lady's Human]

Again, Marigold, in her comments about creationism being taught in the classroom, it's clear that her point was not the it should be taught as part of the lesson, but that discussion should be allowed if it came up.

[sparks19]

Interesting... Basing people on the actions of their teenagers. If their kids were out murdering people... OK. That's over the top.

But how many of you can HONESTLY say that you never caused your parents any gray hairs? You NEVER did wrong? YOu NEVER made any mistakes a a child/young adult. should your parents pay today for your mistakes when learning to become an adult?

I am adult enough to admit that my mistakes when i was old enough to know better (not talking infant/toddler)were NOT my parents fault. My parents did their BEST to teach me right from wrong. I wasn't allowed to just roam the streets, have boys sleep over, do drugs... etc etc. And I suspect none of you were allowed to either. But I will bet everything I have that you have made mistakes. do you believe your parents should pay for that?

Perhaps you do... makes me sad. I take full responsibility for my mistakes as a teen... and now my mom and I are best friends. I can't WAIT to talk to her on the phone everyday. I weep because she is so far away from me and I can't see her whenever I want to. she did the best she could without chaining me to the house. And while some may have issues with me... she has done a darn good job. I don't have a criminal record, I never got sent to the principals office, my only ride home in a police car was when I was out riding my bike when I was 16 and I hurt myself and couldn't get to a phone or anything and it was just my luck that a cop came by and pulled over to help me. Officer Noel... I will never forget him and the help he offered me. YOu may not like my views but i am a good person and I try to spread that to others in my daily life... SO... should my parents be crucified because I made some mistakes? should yours?

I am willing to bet that your parents did the best they could to raise you and yet you still went out as a teen and did things that you KNEW you shouldn't do... even the "small" things. Sorry but at 17.... your parents can't hold you under lock and key. It's just foolish to believe otherwise. People make mistakes.

[Marigold2]

Not believe in Evolution? Why it's all around you. Every new rose bush, tomato, zinnia color, designer dog are all part of evolution. Weather man made or actually coming about on it's own it's all changing and evolving. We are taller now then 100 years ago. So we have evolved as well. Sometimes it's a seed being carried by a bird across the states and a new plant comes into being, having to adapt and adjust to a new climate. Evolution is a science, always changing, always growing as is our planet. Just look at how dogs and cats have changed because a human hand helped with breeding. Evolution you bet. All the millions of plants, birds, insects that evolved without us evening knowing. All the mystery in the ocean we can't understand, all these creatures evolved to their climates and conditions. Just as we have. Look at the pigmey people. Shorter, smaller because they don't have as much food as we do. We are not better then them, just different. They have adapted and evolved to survive that area.
Evolution also as far as I know does not start wars. It's a science. It is also not a moral issue unless you enter something like test tube babies into the mix.

As for teaching religon in school which one should we teach? Jewish, Budda, Hindu, Jevhovah Witness, Baptist, Lutheran? Should we eat meat on Friday?
Should we go by the Jewish calender? Not believe or teach that Jesus is our savior? When was the last time a Jewish person said to you "Hey you are praying to the wrong dude, he was just a carpenter and now I am going to make sure your child learns that in school"
Tell our children that giving blood to a dying child is a sin? Or do we go by the Catholic religon and not use birth control? So many options. Perhaps we should teach the Jewish religon on Friday, Catholic on Thursday, Budda on Monday.
Seperation of church and state is one of the most important and sane things this country stands for. We need to keep our moral views out of our neighbors lives.
School is not a place for any religon, it's a place to learn, grow and accept others regardless of what they believe at home. Otherwise we become another Iraq were we are told what to believe, how to live, how to pray.
This is America and no one has the right to tell any one how to pray. Nor if sex before marriage is correct, or how many kids to have (as long as you can afford them hopefully) or not to give blood.
Do I believe in God, oh yes, do I pray everyday oh yes. I also pray that others have that freedom and that it is not in vain to all those that died giving it to us.
Loving God, praying should never be something that is forced on anyone, we should not be told who to pray to, when, where or how. No how to live our lives, as long as we don't hurt others, what we do in our homes, our bedrooms, is no ones business.

Well what about those who don't believe in Evolution.

should THAT be taught?

Some people don't believe in it and there is no scientific PROOF that that's what happened. but THAT seems to be OK.

that seems to be OK with those who don't believe in any faith or religion yet it doesn't matter how it affects those who DP believe in faith or religion. there is no PROOF... DON'T teach it... PERIOD. Any mention of evolution could be JUST as offensive to the faint of heart as creationism.

I'm sick of the God hating just becasue some don't believe in it... but if families don't want evolution taught they are to go ELSEWHERE to learn.