Thanks Sandie, I haven't had much luck with the styptic pencil, ever. Lacey's nails are just different than the other pups, harder to cut and she doesn't make it any easier. Just never had one do this, after keeping the dog down for a while, they were fine. I may not do her nails again after this. But when the vets do it they have to muzzle her and she goes insane! I do it at home to help her avoid the stress and now look what I've done. Of course I have been clipping them for 8 years with only a few minor oopies, until now.