WHAT is going on in people's brains?

[sparks19]

http://www.greyhound.ca/scripts/en/T...s.asp?state=on

This link shows all the Greyhound locations in Ontario - JUST Ontario.

I also checked how many buses per day go from Sudbury ON to Toronto (and there are 5 Toronto destinations).

There are thousands of locations in Canada, most with at least 3 schedules passing through them.

So in 8 years, including this week, 5 incidents of violence have occurred among thousands and thousands of trips and routes.

I'd take Greyhound again. The chances of harm are pretty slim - and it's safer than driving my car all that distance (though a tad hard on the tush! )

Well it certainly doesn't make me afraid to take the bus... but it doesn't make it any less sickening.

to kill someone while you basically look into their eyes up close and hear their screams and continue to plunge your knife into them and then cut off their head and carry it around? There is no question that this guy is SICK SICK SICK

CCW.... not just any idiot can get a CCW. I wouldn't be convinced that this PSYCHO was going to stop at just this one victim. He was SERIOUSLY disturbed... I wouldn't have put it past him to turn the weapon on someone else in such close quarters. were it me (I was not there and have never been in such a horrifying situation so this is all speculation) and I was knowlegable enough to have a CCW permit I would have squared myself up with this maniac so that any "missed" shot would go out the window instead of into someone else and ended the madness before he could turn on anyone else or beheaded the innocent victim beside him.

No it may not have saved that victim but if he decided to turn his weapon on someone else it could have saved them.

[Puckstop31]

Wow... Prayers for the victims survivors and other passengers on the bus. Lets hope that the ones who will inevitably suffer from PTSD because of this can get the best treatment possible. PTSD sucks (I had it) but with the right treatment a person can get past it. In my experience, the key is good group talks with a experienced doctor.


As for a CCW helping here... Probably not. First, I don't think there even is such a thing as a civilian CCW in Canada. But, that kind of situation on a bus? The chances of getting a clean shot are almost nil. It sounds like the victim was killed almost right away, so the best thing a CCW could do here is keep the people off the bus safe, or end the situation if the attacker chose to get off the bus. The most skilled hostage rescue force in the world, the US Army 'Delta Force', trains for that kind of thing. They are the best combat shooters on Earth and even they do not like those kind of situations.

[sparks19]

I like that the trucker pulled over and supplied "weapons" (hammer, crow bar, etc) to keep the attacker at bay. I shudder to think what could have happened had they not had those tools to keep him there.

I just hope that guy is locked up FOREVER and EVER. he doesn't even DESERVE to die. That would be too easy IMO. Let him rot on a bed with metal cuffs holding him down.

I don't care how much "rehabilitation" they give him. there is NO therapy that will EVER make me comfortable with him being around another human being again.

to sit right beside a guy you don't even know and in cold blood stab him repeatedly in front of dozens of people and then behead him and carry the head around? Yeah... that's a special kind of crazy right there that I am not convinced can ever be fixed.

this really is the most frightening thing I have read in a long long time

[Catty1]

Again - graphic material has been removed here.

Prayers for his family and friends, and all who were on that bus.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/...ng-victim.html

Suspect in bus killing was a newspaper delivery man: report
Slain man 'will always be in their hearts,' friends say
Last Updated: Friday, August 1, 2008 | 7:41 PM ET

CBC News


Tim McLean, seen in an undated handout photo, with the daughter of his friend William Caron. (William Caron/Canadian Press)

The man accused of stabbing a young Winnipeg man aboard a Greyhound bus delivered newspapers for several Edmonton publications, according to a media report.

Vince Weiguang Li, 40, worked for a contractor delivering the Edmonton Journal, the National Post and the Edmonton Sun, according to an article published on the Journal's website Friday afternoon.

After delivering papers Monday morning, Li "fell off the face of the earth," according to his employer, Vincent Augert, who was quoted in the article.

Li's delivery supervisor described him as a "nice guy," Augert said. The Edmonton man also worked at a McDonald's restaurant, according to Augert.

RCMP announced Friday morning that they had charged Li with second-degree murder. Police said he has no previous criminal record.

Police have not confirmed the identity of the man stabbed to death, and then beheaded according to witnesses, aboard a bus late Wednesday, but court documents name him as Timothy McLean. Friends have also confirmed 22-year-old McLean was the victim, describing him as bubbly and well-loved.


Vince Weiguang Li leaves provincial court in Portage la Prairie, Man., on Friday. He remained silent during his appearance in court. (Rob Swystun/Portage la Prairie Daily Graphic/Canadian Press)

Augert said he last spoke to Li three weeks ago, at which time the man said he had a job interview in Winnipeg. When he called Li's cellphone on Friday, he spoke with a woman who said she was Li's wife, Augert said.

"She says to me that 'I don't know where he is. He had to leave town. It was an emergency,' " Augert told the Journal.

Li appeared for a hearing Friday at the Manitoba provincial court in Portage la Prairie around 10 a.m. CT without a lawyer and refused to speak to anyone.

He shuffled into the courthouse under the weight of heavy leg shackles, with his eyes focused on the floor. His right hand was heavily bandaged and there was visible bruising on his face.

The judge asked him twice whether he had a lawyer, but the accused just stared at the ground. When the judge asked whether Li was exercising his right to remain silent, he nodded his head.

The Crown asked for a psychiatric assessment, but the judge said the accused must see legal aid about getting a lawyer before proceeding further. Li was remanded into custody until his next appearance on Tuesday.

"It's early and I think the judge just wants to respect his rights to … speak to counsel, and he's giving him that opportunity," Crown prosecutor Larry Hodgson said outside court. "I don't think it will be very long that they'll allow him to do that."

Hodgson said if Li doesn't get his own lawyer, the court could appoint one or the case could proceed anyway.

Second-degree murder, under the Criminal Code, is generally unpremeditated murder. First-degree murder refers to a killing that is planned and deliberate, but also when death is caused by sexual assault, kidnapping, forcible confinement or hijacking an airplane.

McLean 'missed dearly'

In an e-mail to CBC News, friend Jossie Kehler wrote that McLean was loved by everyone, had a bubbly personality and was a ladies' man.

"He has a lot of friends and they all are very upset he's gone, and they would like to say they miss him and he will always be in their hearts," she wrote.

"People say no one's perfect, but Tim, he was," she wrote. "He did nothing bad to anyone."


Tim McLean, shown in a photograph from his MySpace page, was described by friends as a bubbly person loved by everyone.

Thousands of Facebook users flocked Friday to a tribute group titled 'RIP Tim McLean' set up overnight to send their condolences to family and friends as well as express their shock at the grisly story that made international headlines.

"You are loved and you will be missed dearly!" the site description read.

Friends say McLean had taken a job with the Red River Exhibition and then went to work in Edmonton, but had decided to return home.

On McLean's MySpace page, under the name JoKAwiLd, he describes himself as five-foot-five, weighing about 125 pounds.

Witnesses initially described the attacker as a hulking man over six feet tall who appeared to weigh more than 200 pounds — but in court on Friday, Li appeared to be about five-foot-eight or -nine, with a stocky build.

Father trying to reach wife

McLean's father, Tim McLean Sr., told CBC News on Thursday night that he was in the process of trying to get confirmation from the police that his son was, in fact, the victim.

He said he was also trying to reach his wife, who is on an Alaskan cruise until next week.

Police officers spent Thursday examining the Greyhound bus where the attack took place. Police officers spent Thursday examining the Greyhound bus where the attack took place. (CBC)The father said his son had sent him a text message around 7:30 p.m. as the bus was leaving Brandon, the last leg of its journey, to ask whether he could come home for the night.

McLean Sr. told his son that of course he could come home. That was the last contact they had.

The RCMP would not confirm reports the victim was beheaded, saying only that a stabbing took place around 8:30 p.m. CT on an eastbound Greyhound bus on the Trans-Canada Highway about 20 kilometres west of Portage la Prairie.

An autopsy was scheduled for Friday at the Winnipeg Health Sciences Centre, and police were waiting for the results before deciding, with input from the family, whether to make the victim's name public.

"The RCMP are mindful of the range of emotions being experienced by the family of the deceased over the loss of their loved one in such a horrific incident. Our thoughts are with them," the RCMP said in a statement.

Victim sleeping when attack began

Witnesses said the victim got on the bus in Edmonton, while his attacker came aboard in Brandon and sat away from the victim toward the front of the bus, they said. After a short cigarette break, however, the attacker moved his belongings and chose a seat beside the young man.

Garnet Caton, who was sitting in the seat in front of the victim, said the young man was sleeping with his headphones on when he was attacked.

Caton said he heard a "blood-curdling scream" and turned around to see the attacker holding a large hunting knife and repeatedly stabbing the victim.

Caton, the driver and a trucker who had stopped at the scene later boarded the vehicle to see whether the victim was still alive.

The attacker ran at them, Caton said, and they ran out of the bus, holding the door shut as he tried to slash at the trio. When the attacker tried to drive the bus away, the driver disabled the vehicle, Caton said.

RCMP crisis negotiators communicated with the suspect for several hours while he was on the bus. Around 1:30 a.m., he attempted to jump from a bus window and was subdued and arrested, RCMP said.

With files from the Canadian Press

[sparks19]

Lock his sorry PATHETIC a$$ up FOREVER.

ugh... this sickens me and the more I read the more sick it makes me.

[Catty1]

http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/loc...ub=CalgaryHome

Edmonton man accused of beheading described as a nice guy

Updated: Sat Aug. 02 2008 17:26:40

CTV.ca News Staff

The boss of an Edmonton man accused of beheading 22-year-old Tim McLean on a Greyhound bus was shocked when he heard about the incident saying he never thought of him as a violent man.

Vince Weiguang Li, from Edmonton, Alta., is facing a second degree murder charge in the death of McLean.

CTV News has learned that Li delivered newspapers for the Edmonton Journal and the Edmonton Sun in the Clareview and Concordia neighbourhoods.

Li's boss, Vincent Augert, tells CTV News that he was surprised to learn of the incident because he thought of Li as a nice guy.

Augert said he is still reeling from the shocking news.

According to the Edmonton Journal Li told his employer he had a job interview in Winnipeg and was not heard from again.

Li is in custody under video-surveillance in Winnipeg. He next court date is Tuesday in Portage la Prairie.

Li never said a word when he appeared before a judge Friday in Portage la Prairie.

The 40-year-old walked into the courtroom with his head down and kept quiet during the entire proceedings.

Li was guarded by RCMP officers and had a heavily-taped right hand and a swollen face.

Li did not reply when the judge asked if he was going to get a lawyer. He did nod slightly when asked if he was exercising his right not to speak.

The Crown has asked for a psychiatric assessment but the judge said he wanted Li to talk to a lawyer first.

Crown Attorney Larry Hodgson described the court appearance to CTV Newsnet from Portage la Prairie, Man.

Hodgson said that Li seemed to understand what the judge was saying to him.

"He responded with a nod at the appropriate time," the lawyer said.

Hodgson said as far as he knew, Li has not contacted anyone since the time of his arrest.

The matter was adjourned to Aug. 5, when the Crown will once again ask for a psychiatric assessment.

With files from the Canadian Press

[DJFyrewolf36]

Sounds like the guy just snapped. I wonder if anyone will find out why. It won't be any comfort to the victims family though
Sad sad situation all the way around.