This makes Me So Angry (Update post 53) by Finn's Mom

[lizbud]

According to this article the puppy has already been put down.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0708/539313.html

I also looked for any updates & read a report from another TV newspage.
They have over 700 responses from people already & most every one
expressed similar thoughts to this lady on the KTUL Tv news.

Also, it was the Tulsa PD who ordered the puppy PTS.



Talkback: Dog That Killed Infant Put Down

Cindy Harriss
12:50 pm on 07/30/08 So who is the dumb idiot that told them to put that Lab pup down? We can only hope that they give the mother the same treatment as the lab puppy received. The officials didn't even wait to do a full investigation on this inffants death before putting him down. Why?
I have raised labs for most of my life and not one time as puppies or adults did they ever do anything that resembled mauling of my then infant daughter. Of course they would bite at her toes or her curly hair, But never showed any mean aggression at all.
The Lab puppy and the infant boy were the two innocent victims in this whole mess. The mother and grandmother should be charged with child neglect, child endangerment, child abuse and charged also for the death of the infant boy.
I bet there will be a full investigation before charging the mother with anything. Why not give the pup the same respect your giving this mother? But then again as a mother I would have never left my infant in the sole care of a puppy, They are just like children.
Why didn't this mother hear her baby like most mothers would have heard their child either by using a baby monitor or being in ear range. For a infant to be getting truly mauled, there is no doubt in my mind that this infant was screaming a the top of his lungs for help if this is truly what happened. Anyone with any common sense about them would have heard this poor baby crying/screaming. What truly happened to this baby? and who truly did it?
It was not that Lab Puppy.
I really wish that todays parents would stand up be held accountable for their actions instead of going to extremes to cover up their wrong doings.
This is wrong on so many levels!!!

Cindy Harriss
Amarillo, Texas "

[shais_mom]

I also looked for any updates & read a report from another TV newspage.
They have over 700 responses from people already & most every one
expressed similar thoughts to this lady on the KTUL Tv news.

Also, it was the Tulsa PD who ordered the puppy PTS.



Talkback: Dog That Killed Infant Put Down

Cindy Harriss
12:50 pm on 07/30/08 So who is the dumb idiot that told them to put that Lab pup down? We can only hope that they give the mother the same treatment as the lab puppy received. The officials didn't even wait to do a full investigation on this inffants death before putting him down. Why?
I have raised labs for most of my life and not one time as puppies or adults did they ever do anything that resembled mauling of my then infant daughter. Of course they would bite at her toes or her curly hair, But never showed any mean aggression at all.
The Lab puppy and the infant boy were the two innocent victims in this whole mess. The mother and grandmother should be charged with child neglect, child endangerment, child abuse and charged also for the death of the infant boy.
I bet there will be a full investigation before charging the mother with anything. Why not give the pup the same respect your giving this mother? But then again as a mother I would have never left my infant in the sole care of a puppy, They are just like children.
Why didn't this mother hear her baby like most mothers would have heard their child either by using a baby monitor or being in ear range. For a infant to be getting truly mauled, there is no doubt in my mind that this infant was screaming a the top of his lungs for help if this is truly what happened. Anyone with any common sense about them would have heard this poor baby crying/screaming. What truly happened to this baby? and who truly did it?
It was not that Lab Puppy.
I really wish that todays parents would stand up be held accountable for their actions instead of going to extremes to cover up their wrong doings.
This is wrong on so many levels!!!

Cindy Harriss
Amarillo, Texas "

I may not have children but that Cindy Harriss is my hero.
I'm glad she said it b/c the fact that I don't have children would have made my point moot.

[caseysmom]

I think we have a CPS worker right here on PT and she agrees with all of us, right Shepgirl?

[Cataholic]

I don't think having a child, having a dog, not having either, or having one but not the other is that which sets one person's opinion apart- or more 'valid'- than someone elses.

Having said that, I can tell you that my infant WAS left out of my eyesight, that I DID nap after my son was born, that my cats were left alone with him (though I did have a crib tent (not that he spent much time in the crib)). Horrible things happen. Sometimes they happen without any justifiable reason in the world. Sometimes they happen despite a parent's best efforts. Sometimes they happen just because they happen. And, sometimes they happen because of neglect.

A precious child's life was taken, as well as a puppy's life. Both of those are innocent victims. To say that the grandmother or either of the young parents was or was not suitably upset for anyone's liking is just so unfair. We ALL react differently to stress. Some faint, some cry uncontrollably, some don't react at all, or, not immediately. I would be amazed if any of those 3 people walk away from this unscathed on a grave level.

Maybe they WERE all stoned out of their mind, or sleep deprived, or manic, or confused, scared, neglectful, or simply human beings doing the best that they could. Does that change the end result? To flame these people, or the authorities for what they are or are not doing is unhelpful, and focusing on the past.

Take from the situation something that might make you do something differently in the future: otherwise these two lives were in vain.

[Karen]

Having said that, I can tell you that my infant WAS left out of my eyesight, that I DID nap after my son was born, that my cats were left alone with him (though I did have a crib tent (not that he spent much time in the crib)).

But I am betting that if Jonah had screamed, you would have woken from your nap! Maybe not been happy about it, but ...

[Cataholic]

But I am betting that if Jonah had screamed, you would have woken from your nap! Maybe not been happy about it, but ...

That is probably correct. But, I am also on hyper-alert status most of the time, sleep very lightly, and was 38 years old when I had him. Can I hold the world to my standards? No. I can't. I can hold ME to my standards, and remember the phrase, "there but for the Grace of God, go I".

The whole thing totally breaks my heart, as a mother, first and foremost, and as an animal lover. I am not sure I could ever recover from such a tragedy, and thank GOD this has not presented in my life. As I said, I don't know the cause of this infant's death, and no matter what comes out, it is in the past. The awful, awful past, something that we cannot revisit.

I watched a training fire last summer. It was an eye opening experience for me, as I saw, first hand, how quickly a fire spreads through a house, and how the heat, from 100 yards away, was so intense. I have cut my grass while Jonah sits in the house in front of the TV. I have chatted with a neighbor in the front yard while Jonah slept in bed. Does this make me an irresponsible parent? Making the call after the foul is pretty easy.

Hindsight is.....

[RICHARD]

Ready?

I didn't see the pics or read the story but here's my take on the story.

Two teenage idiots have a kid and figure out that they can't handle it. Grandma can't stand having it scream during the Springer show, so she tells the kids to take the poor kid outside.

They toss the kid in the swing to 'calm it down' while it screams and they go inside to party/watch Springer or whatever. The kid stops fussing, everyone is happy until they find out that the puppy, seeing the kid's legs swinging back and forth and thinking it was a game, chewed the kid to death.


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People always do the 'swinging rag/toy' in front of puppies to play with them.
The dog didn't know any better.


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YOU can't call a foul before it happens.

[Cataholic]

Well, now that THE voice of reason has spoken, we can all go home.

[shais_mom]

I don't think having a child, having a dog, not having either, or having one but not the other is that which sets one person's opinion apart- or more 'valid'- than someone elses.

thank you - I suppose I use my "i don't have kids excuse" as a vice but its been thrown in my face so much that I usually say it first anymore. Similiar to my best friend/cousin going thru her parents divorce when I tried to be understanding she said -"you don't know- you're parents are still together"
I had a patient say something to me a few months ago that I appreciated more than she could ever imagine. She had just been in a car accident with her teenage daughter. She didn't care about herself, she was trying to get her daughter out of the car. She said "do you have children?" I said my standard "no so I can only imagine how scary it would be and how hard you would try to get her out" she said "well it would be like wanting to get anyone you care about out of the car. Your parents, or sister or brother." No one before when they say - do you have kids and I say no - they blow off my opinion. She was the first person that ever took into account that I cared about other people and would want to keep them safe as well.

[lizbud]

Horrible things happen. Sometimes they happen without any justifiable reason in the world. Sometimes they happen despite a parent's best efforts. Sometimes they happen just because they happen. And, sometimes they happen because of neglect.

Tell me just what the heck this means,"Sometimes they happen just because they happen"? What kind of logic is that? Everything has a
reason. Unless the Almighty willed that baby be chewed to death ,which
I don't think happened, some human being inside that house did not do
their job. They were irresponsibile no matter how you look at it.

[shepgirl]

Richard you kill me....lol. But you're so right on this one. That's exactly the way I see it also.

Husky mom--I also had the same fears of not hearing my children if they woke durng the night...just doesn't happen, must be an inborn thing. I would be awake if they so much as hiccuped. It doesn't get any better even after the first but I would never have wanted it any other way.

I thought the baby was outside in the swing because they were showing the police talking around the swing and it looked like the baby was found there. Whether they were all inside or out, these 3 idiots are the ones to blame and not the pup, don't even think the pug either. It might have chewed it up a bit, but I still think that baby was dead long before the dogs got to it.

I'm hoping they'll keep us posted so we can get the whole story.

[RICHARD]

Richard you kill me....lol. But you're so right on this one. That's exactly the way I see it also.

Don't worry, I won't bite you to death.

[Cataholic]

Tell me just what the heck this means,"Sometimes they happen just because they happen"? What kind of logic is that? Everything has a
reason. Unless the Almighty willed that baby be chewed to death ,which
I don't think happened, some human being inside that house did not do
their job. They were irresponsibile no matter how you look at it.

Was it the whole paragraph that dumbfounded you, or, simply the statement taken out of context? If, in your years of wisdom, you have not run across a situation in which a horrible outcome was the result with no one to 'blame', consider yourself lucky. In this specific instance, I had used the "sometimes they happen just because they happen" comment along side of several others that, conceivably, could point "blame".

Everything has a "reason"? Would you mind phoning my sister and explaining to her the "reason" her daughter became so critically ill? Wowsers.

[lizbud]

There are always "reasons" but not always "blame". We may not know
the reason, but with study & investigations, the reasons often become clear.

In this case, I would bet my bottom dollar there will be plenty of blame
to go around for this baby's death.