This makes Me So Angry (Update post 53) by Finn's Mom

[shepgirl]

I'm aggreeing with Karen on this one. I've seen 8 week old pups and not one would be capable of "attacking". Maybe the child was left in the swing too long in a bad position and simply smothered. But the blame does rest on the 3 people who left that baby alone. Kids having kids, right on...
A mom grabbing a nap with a new baby...highly unlikely, the time just isn't there.

[shais_mom]

This is such BS, wtf?

-the baby was unattended OUTSIDE
-the parents and grandmother were HOME
-the baby was left with TWO dogs outside

This is completely questionable, the puppy shouldn't even be WEANED yet, he's not even 8 weeks old. I don't believe a word of it.

I can't see the first video so maybe what you are stating was in that but where does it say the baby was outside?

I thought the grandma looked pretty cool-cucumber like standing there with her ciggie and tatts. And the 'dad' and the punk rock hair do, and the mom I just want to smack all of them. I don't understand how a 6 week old puppy could do anything to a baby in a swing without someone including neighbors hearing it screaming. My cousin has a 2 month old baby with a set of lungs on her like Pavarotti, no way would she be silent while a puppy chewed her to death. Its stupid, idiotic, assinine people like these that make people get rid of their animals as soon as they get pregnant. My grandma kept asking my cousin when she was getting rid of their dog when she got pregnant, which INFURIATED me (I know its a generational thing, and she's an old farm wife, dogs weren't allowed in the house back then). My cousin was like 'huh? we aren't getting rid of him'. I said I know PLENTY of people who have MULTIPLE dogs and MULTIPLE kids, it just comes down to what YOU want to be responsible for.

[lizbud]

This is such BS, wtf?

-the baby was unattended OUTSIDE
-the parents and grandmother were HOME
-the baby was left with TWO dogs outside

This is completely questionable, the puppy shouldn't even be WEANED yet, he's not even 8 weeks old. I don't believe a word of it.

The second link reports this.....

"Willingham said the baby's mother and grandmother were home, but nobody was in the room at the time."
This makes me think they were all inside the house at the time, but nobody
was in the same room. This just makes it more unbelieveable that no one
heard a thing.

I think the whole incident was misreported as a "attack" by the puppy.
Total BS. There are some people who will actually believe this is
crap & put the blame for this death on the pup. He doesn't even look more
that 7-8 weeks old itself. It's criminal negligence by the parents.

[shais_mom]

The second link reports this.....

"Willingham said the baby's mother and grandmother were home, but nobody was in the room at the time."
This makes me think they were all inside the house at the time, but nobody
was in the same room. This just makes it more unbelieveable that no one
heard a thing.

I think the whole incident was misreported as a "attack" by the puppy.
Total BS. There are some people who will actually believe this is
crap & put the blame for this death on the pup. He doesn't even look more
that 7-8 weeks old itself. It's criminal negligence by the parents.

i see, well I'm at work and the speaker on the computer is set low - so I couldn't really hear a lot of the information

but I'm more agreeing with the ones who are suspicious that the baby was already desceased. I may get blasted for this opinion but I'm saying it anyway, the way those people look, who knows how long that poor baby was in the swing.

[shais_mom]

This is completely questionable, the puppy shouldn't even be WEANED yet, he's not even 8 weeks old. I don't believe a word of it.

??huh??
Keegan came home to ME at 6 weeks and she was weaned. I would have rather she stayed until she was 8 weeks but she didn't, it was either take her or I didn't get her at all. And almost 7 years later, I would not change a thing, even tho many days I wanted to tear my hair out.

[lizbud]

But you were right Staci. A lot of people will say babies & dogs don't mix
so get rid of the animals when the woman is pregnant. Totally
wrong info to be passing around.

This poor kid did nothing but be born into a family of dimwits & the puppy
will also pay with his life.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

The only ones to blame are the parents!!! Some people shouldn't have pot plants lets alone kids and animals!

[finn's mom]

Without all the details, it's hard to really say who is to blame. Everyone shares a part in it, of course, but who knows if the parents were taking a nap while the grandmother was supposed to be watching the baby? The parents look young, but just because they have punk looks, doesn't make them bad people. The grandmother is the only one who looks like she's not bothered by the situation. :/

I've seen aggressiveness in puppies as young as six weeks old before, but I don't think I've ever heard of an outright attack by one. The fact that they were dragging the pug out with a catch pole makes me think the pug was more likely to bite than the puppy they were cradling in their arms as they left the house.

My assumption (and that is all it is) is that they had the pug before the baby was born, but not the puppy, considering the age of the puppy and the baby. Jealous dogs can be very unpredictable, especially when left unsupervised with the object of their jealousy.

I wonder the same thing as a couple of others, though. The child may have been dead before the dog bites.

[Vela]

Let's hope they find out the truth before they put the dogs to sleep.

The puppy was already put to sleep the same day, even though they hadn't done any real invesitgation into the issues.

[K9soul]

According to this article the puppy has already been put down.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0708/539313.html

[finn's mom]

According to this article the puppy has already been put down.

That is disappointing. But considering the home that dog would have lived in, it may be a blessing in disguise. The whole situation is sad, sad, sad.

[shais_mom]

thru the grapevine, (and I'm not revealing who clued me in) I've been informed that those of us that blame the parents for this tragedy have a vendetta against the parents. which is funny b/c those of us on PT that do not have children are by far outnumbered by those that do. You can be a responsible PARENT and PET OWNER, and fact of the matter these 3 people (I can't really say adults b/c the mom of the baby isn't) FAILED miserably and the ones that suffered for it are the innocent baby and the puppy. They are both gone from this world, never to return. Am I angry that this was allowed to happen. You bet.
But to actually say vendetta
ven�det�ta �� (vn-dt) KEY �

NOUN:

A feud between two families or clans that arises out of a slaying and is perpetuated by retaliatory acts of revenge; a blood feud.
A bitter, destructive feud
ummmm. No. I'm not asking for their blood or their head on a platter. I'm sure that they will beat themselves up over this for the rest of their lives. Yes, I made a crack about the father's hair. I know that teenagers try to be different and try to individualize themselves by the way they look, but you know what? First impressions are something you can't change. I still stand by my opinion and won't edit or change it. Do I think his haircut killed that baby? of course not. Even if he were clean cut - this still could have happened, he just wouldn't look like a meth head. What killed that baby was ignorant behaivor. And people need to take responsibility for that. I wasn't one of the ones that immediately said substance abuse played a factor, and if they find that it was the case, then I hope the law steps in. But it doesn't matter if they were playing checkers, smoking pot, or sleeping or just watching tv. They failed in their responsiblity to keep that baby safe and they have to live with that for the rest of their lives, not me.
This person also made a crack about child protective services, which is a moot point b/c why would CPS step in when the baby was already dead? They also made a crack about the immaturity level on this board, which I find amusing considering the original person the said it apparently has been lying thru their teeth. ahhh the joys of the internet.

[lizbud]

According to this article the puppy has already been put down.

http://www.ktul.com/news/stories/0708/539313.html

I also looked for any updates & read a report from another TV newspage.
They have over 700 responses from people already & most every one
expressed similar thoughts to this lady on the KTUL Tv news.

Also, it was the Tulsa PD who ordered the puppy PTS.



Talkback: Dog That Killed Infant Put Down

Cindy Harriss
12:50 pm on 07/30/08 So who is the dumb idiot that told them to put that Lab pup down? We can only hope that they give the mother the same treatment as the lab puppy received. The officials didn't even wait to do a full investigation on this inffants death before putting him down. Why?
I have raised labs for most of my life and not one time as puppies or adults did they ever do anything that resembled mauling of my then infant daughter. Of course they would bite at her toes or her curly hair, But never showed any mean aggression at all.
The Lab puppy and the infant boy were the two innocent victims in this whole mess. The mother and grandmother should be charged with child neglect, child endangerment, child abuse and charged also for the death of the infant boy.
I bet there will be a full investigation before charging the mother with anything. Why not give the pup the same respect your giving this mother? But then again as a mother I would have never left my infant in the sole care of a puppy, They are just like children.
Why didn't this mother hear her baby like most mothers would have heard their child either by using a baby monitor or being in ear range. For a infant to be getting truly mauled, there is no doubt in my mind that this infant was screaming a the top of his lungs for help if this is truly what happened. Anyone with any common sense about them would have heard this poor baby crying/screaming. What truly happened to this baby? and who truly did it?
It was not that Lab Puppy.
I really wish that todays parents would stand up be held accountable for their actions instead of going to extremes to cover up their wrong doings.
This is wrong on so many levels!!!

Cindy Harriss
Amarillo, Texas "

[shais_mom]

I also looked for any updates & read a report from another TV newspage.
They have over 700 responses from people already & most every one
expressed similar thoughts to this lady on the KTUL Tv news.

Also, it was the Tulsa PD who ordered the puppy PTS.



Talkback: Dog That Killed Infant Put Down

Cindy Harriss
12:50 pm on 07/30/08 So who is the dumb idiot that told them to put that Lab pup down? We can only hope that they give the mother the same treatment as the lab puppy received. The officials didn't even wait to do a full investigation on this inffants death before putting him down. Why?
I have raised labs for most of my life and not one time as puppies or adults did they ever do anything that resembled mauling of my then infant daughter. Of course they would bite at her toes or her curly hair, But never showed any mean aggression at all.
The Lab puppy and the infant boy were the two innocent victims in this whole mess. The mother and grandmother should be charged with child neglect, child endangerment, child abuse and charged also for the death of the infant boy.
I bet there will be a full investigation before charging the mother with anything. Why not give the pup the same respect your giving this mother? But then again as a mother I would have never left my infant in the sole care of a puppy, They are just like children.
Why didn't this mother hear her baby like most mothers would have heard their child either by using a baby monitor or being in ear range. For a infant to be getting truly mauled, there is no doubt in my mind that this infant was screaming a the top of his lungs for help if this is truly what happened. Anyone with any common sense about them would have heard this poor baby crying/screaming. What truly happened to this baby? and who truly did it?
It was not that Lab Puppy.
I really wish that todays parents would stand up be held accountable for their actions instead of going to extremes to cover up their wrong doings.
This is wrong on so many levels!!!

Cindy Harriss
Amarillo, Texas "

I may not have children but that Cindy Harriss is my hero.
I'm glad she said it b/c the fact that I don't have children would have made my point moot.

[caseysmom]

I think we have a CPS worker right here on PT and she agrees with all of us, right Shepgirl?