PT Prayers for Tiger...

[Catty1]

Lara - I thought 'just his lungs' were gargly. Is his nose breathing affected again?

Perhaps - just perhaps - it is not a tumour this time, but they can put some stuff up there to really clear things out?

Lara - I want to cry for Tiger and you - but you had him on the TF for three? months after the last invasive surgery.

I am just wanting to know why you think it will work this time...I am not trying to be negative, obviously this struck you as the right thing to do. Just trying to understand.

In addition to all the natural things you just tried, did you ask your vet about an inhalent that Tiger could use? Nose drops administered with a q-tip? Could a shot of "kitty dristan" be zapped up each nostril? Could this be tried to see if surgery is really necessary?

I've been running a fever today, so am not thinking clearly. But I am out of ideas.

I leave this with God.

[jennielynn1970]

Gosh.. do you think the tumor grew back that fast? Yikes!!!

I hope that the vet can suggest something that won't have to involve surgery. Maybe it's something else that affecting him?? One can be hopeful of that!

[Emeraldgreen]

Lara - I thought 'just his lungs' were gargly. Is his nose breathing affected again?

Perhaps - just perhaps - it is not a tumour this time, but they can put some stuff up there to really clear things out?

Lara - I want to cry for Tiger and you - but you had him on the TF for three? months after the last invasive surgery.

I am just wanting to know why you think it will work this time...I am not trying to be negative, obviously this struck you as the right thing to do. Just trying to understand.

In addition to all the natural things you just tried, did you ask your vet about an inhalent that Tiger could use? Nose drops administered with a q-tip? Could a shot of "kitty dristan" be zapped up each nostril? Could this be tried to see if surgery is really necessary?

I've been running a fever today, so am not thinking clearly. But I am out of ideas.

I leave this with God.

His nose has been stuffy all along, though in Denise's reading she felt it was clear which is maybe why you think that. And she may have felt that because he is able to get air through there but it's a struggle and he is worse now than when the reading was done. He has always been able to get air through his nose but each day it gets harder and he is now breathing so his cheeks puff out a bit above his teeth.
His chest area was making some sounds but the vet couldn't be sure if it was the rumbly sounds resonating from his nasal area. She thought this might be the case.
I thought that maybe Tiger had contracted the Herpes virus from my cat Stinky because she had been sick but that is something that resolves itself in two weeks generally when I put them on Lysine. He just gets progressively worse.
He has been on multiple Convenia injections which I believe is in the Clavamox family and it did nothing and he was on 10 days of Baytril and no change. I've tried nasal drops, (we did manage to get some in him finally and no change), a liquid expectorant and now this holistic product with the belladonna in it.
He's had the tumor removed 3 times and I've become very familiar with what he sounds like as it grows back. He had the surgery on St. Patrick's day and as of today it's been 2 months and 21 days since then.
The surgery he had before that, the tumor grew back in 2 months. So it's definitely reasonable to assume that it is happening again.
My reason for wanting to get the tumor removed again isn't to cure him, it's to provide some more time so that I can continue to treat him with the Transfer Factor
and he will be more comfortable while I do that. I haven't treated him with the Transfer Factor for 3 months. It's been 2 months or less and very sporadic at that because of the other treatments that he was receiving. It took awhile for it to arrive in the mail and then I waited a bit because he was still recovering from the major surgery and had the incision in his mouth that was healing etc..
I had to stop the Transfer Factor for the 10 days that I gave him the Baytril because he couldn't have dairy and the only way he'd take the T.F. was in cream cheese.
I'm 99% sure the tumor is back but my vet will be able to see if that's the case when he does the rhinoscopy. If the tumor isn't there, the camera will hopefully show my vet what is going on and at that point he will be able to prescribe something that will help him. This isn't the radical surgery where they went in through his palate. This is having a look in his nasal passages to see what's going on and if there is something there, he'll remove it. It takes half an hour and when he wakes up, he can breathe like a normal cat. It will last for 2 months and hopefully, in that 2 months he will respond to the Transfer Factor. If he doesn't and if he begins to suffer with the tumor again and nothing seems to help, I'll put him down.
I've tried everything and he needs something to change. He is happy and has an awesome appetite and scratches his cat tree and likes to hang out in his outdoor enclosure but he can't get enough air. Each day he moves a little slower because he just isn't getting the air in. You can hear him across the room. It's horrible. I can't imagine what this is like for him.
It may be that my vet won't be able to get him in until the end of the month and in the meantime I will continue with the holisitc treatment and the Transfer Factor and the steaming and hope that something will change. I'll pick up a bottle of the Otrivin pump spray and see if it has a better effect than the drops.

[krazyaboutkatz]

I'm so sorry to hear that he's getting worse. I sure hope that your vet will be able to help him in some way so that he'll be able to breathe easier. I'll continue to keep him in my thoughts and prayers. Please take care.

[jennielynn1970]

Oh gosh... you know, there are just some things that I wish I could take on for my kitties, and when they're sick, that's one of them. Poor guy having to suffer through this, and even though he has a great attitude, it's just so much on his little body.

I know the nose drops are not fun to administer. Calvin, in our shelter, was known for taking a few hands and fingers off in his day, and medicating him was always a dare... "Jenn.. you feeling brave? Wanna give Calvin his meds tonight??" My partner at the shelter knew I adored Calvin, and he'd actually let me pet him without attacking me. He even licked my hand one time, and the shelter owner said "OH JENNIE! Calvin loves you! He never does that with anyone! You should take him home to foster!" My partner at the shelter just snorted and said "He just wants to get a taste of his dinner before it's served." It made me laugh, made the shelter owner frustrated with us, but it really was the more likely cause for the "affection".

Anyway... it just took some maneuvering to get the drops in. Either hold kitty close to your body and hook your hand around the front so you can tilt his head up, and then lightly drop in one drop in each nostril; or if you can do it without him backing away and running, stand in front of him and tilt up his chin and put the drops in like that. Whatever gives you the most stability and lets Tiger know that you are trying to take special care of it.

I wish I could send pics of what Calvin in the shelter looked like 2 years ago, and what he looks like now. It's just an amazing difference, and I know they've basically been giving him nose drops every day or every other day of those 2 years. I think they had to switch nostril in between drops (mornings left side, eves right side, or something like that).

I really wish you good luck with this, and I hope that something will be able to give Tiger relief and for the tumor to stop growing back at such an unbelievable rate. Gosh. It's like he doesn't get a break!

Take care, and big hugs going out to you all and Tiger.

[Pawsitive Thinking]

Prayers for my friend Tiger (it might help you to know that you are feeling worse than he is)

[Medusa]

Emeraldgreen, for what it's worth, I would do exactly the same thing as you're doing. As you say, it's the less invasive surgery and you want to give the Transfer Factor time to work. Your husband will come around and we just have to pray that your vet will be able to get Tiger in there as soon as possible, without delay! I'm rooting for you and sweet Tiger and I pray that you see the outcome that you desire and, especially, that Tiger can breathe freely and feels so much better. (((HUGS))) and handholds to you.....

[Catty1]

I had forgotten about the delay in the TF...oh gosh, I hope your vet can get you in soon, if there is a cancellation...three more weeks is a lot to ask of the wee guy.

I am glad his spirits are good.

When you steam him - have you thought of using Tea Tree oil in the meantime? If a flame will stay lit in the bathroom, use a diffuser for the TTO. It will sure clear whatever is clearable (non-solid).

Or - I can't recall if you had a vaporizer - but just put the oil where the eucaplytus would go.

Hugs to Tiger...

[Emeraldgreen]

Emeraldgreen, for what it's worth, I would do exactly the same thing as you're doing. As you say, it's the less invasive surgery and you want to give the Transfer Factor time to work. Your husband will come around and we just have to pray that your vet will be able to get Tiger in there as soon as possible, without delay! I'm rooting for you and sweet Tiger and I pray that you see the outcome that you desire and, especially, that Tiger can breathe freely and feels so much better. (((HUGS))) and handholds to you.....

It's worth alot. Thank you for posting that.
This situation with Tiger is unlike one I've ever had to deal with in 20+ years of having animals. Usually my cats and dogs live into old age and then come down with diseases (i.e. kidney failure) that I treat as best as I can until the time comes to send them to Rainbow Bridge. But this has never happened before, a cat that has an issue that is serious but for whatever reason has remained localized in one area of his body. This is an aggressive cancer and the vets all told me that at some point, it will most likely metastisize and at that point there will be nothing to do. The thing is, it just hasn't happened and I think that the recent treatment of Transfer Factor may have played a role in this. However, the tumor keeps growing back in the one spot, his nasal passage and other than his not being able to breathe well, he seems otherwise in pretty good shape. It's because of this that I am having such a difficult time. Because I love him, I cannot continue to let him struggle like this. He's counting on me to protect him from suffering. I've tried just about everything there is to try and nothing is giving him the relief that he needs. And while I think that another month or two of Transfer Factor could potentially cure him, I'm not prepared to let him go on like this in this condition.
So, I'm left with two decisions, see if the vet will do the nasal surgery or make him comfortable for another week or however long I can stand to seem him like this and then make the appointment to put him down. This decision will haunt me if I have to make it because he is alert and relatively normal except for struggling to get air in through his nose. It makes me sick to know that there is something that I could do for him and could possibly not choose it because it's expensive or too much for Tiger to go through. I think it beats the alternative and as mentioned, he recovers so well the following day and is like a brand new cat getting all that oxygen through his nose.
I haven't heard back from the vet yet but the receptionist emailed me and said that she had printed out my email and would make sure that he read it. I expect to hear back by tomorrow. And who knows, maybe once we get Tiger into the vet and he is under sedation, the rhonoscopic camera might show that his nasal area is just full of material that hopefully the vet could flush out.
I've talked with my husband about it and while he isn't thrilled with any of this, he also loves Tiger and thinks trying to treat him with all these meds (convenia, Baytril etc..) is also expensive and tough on Tiger. I think he sees that going to the source of the problem one more time and then going full scale with the Transfer Factor is an option that makes sense.
Tiger is in his spa right now and curled up in his furry donut bed. For now he seems comfortable.

Thanks everybody for your posts.