Quote Originally Posted by RICHARD View Post


Not even a little bit?

Being a guy and having witnessed some brutal "guy type" violence, I think that any time you promote violence upon another person you are crazy.

Self defense excluded-I have heard that stabbing/beating the crap outta people to the point of death is really personal.

P.S. You cannot take away the 'crazy' defense from anyone. How many spouses kill each other then claim temp insanity?

I think that any time you promote violence upon another person, that makes you violent, not crazy. Beating/stabbing someone to the point of death is really personal, yes. Crazy, no. The temporary insanity plea doesn't fly w/me. So a person has never had a moment of temporary insanity before or after the murder? Sorry, not buying it.

Understand that I'm not unsympathetic to those who truly are mentally ill. I'm talking about the ones who, for whatever reason, became violent and then later claimed mental illness or temporary insanity. Those pleas are as lame as the twinkie defense. Of course, not being a psychologist, I'll accept that I could be wrong. But this is my opinion. Were those teenage girls who beat the snot out of that other girl crazy? It was personal among all of them, sure. But they weren't crazy. They were young girls who not only felt that violence was the solution to their problem, they video taped it. It could very easily have gotten out of hand and, if so, they would be facing murder charges today. Obviously, that case isn't as serious as this murder/suicide case. This guy had to be mentally ill, especially if he had never displayed prior violent tendencies .

The cop who murdered Jesse Davis here in Canton, OH is a prime example. (Sorry, his name escapes me at the moment.) He was a cop, so he knew the law and, because he didn't want to pay child support for yet another baby (his admission), he killed his girlfriend. Crazy? Crazy like a fox maybe. But not crazy enough because he got life in prison. I know how you feel about Drew Peterson because I read one of your other posts. Is he crazy? No, it hasn't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed his wife or his ex-wife but if it is proven and/or he admits to it, does that make him crazy?