Family and tenant stabbed to death

**RICHARD** · 06-01-2008, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by Catty1

RICHARD, in this case, the reason it's being "considered" is that the final verdict comes from the psych in attendance on the case.

BTW - Richard, you might find this board of interest - I found it by accident: www.crazyboards.org

Gotcha.

I just think that you have to be crazy to kill anyone, let alone 4 people.

I have to put a "MATURE" rating on that board.

**Catty1** · 06-01-2008, 01:53 AM

Yep, that board is pretty raw...but it could be an eye-opener for some folks who want to learn what it is like to live with a real MI (Mental Illness).

The subtitle is cool: "Different Brains - Shared Experiences"

But it sure doesn't pretty up the situation at all - yet there are people helping each other out as they all go through the same ditches and rabbit holes...raw and amazing.

**Medusa** · 06-01-2008, 07:38 AM

[QUOTE=RICHARD;2019297]
I just think that you have to be crazy to kill anyone, let alone 4 people.
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Really? I think that perhaps in this instance that may be true but I don't believe that everyone that commits murder is crazy, not by any stretch.

**RICHARD** · 06-01-2008, 11:01 AM

Originally Posted by Medusa

Really? I think that perhaps in this instance that may be true but I don't believe that everyone that commits murder is crazy, not by any stretch.

Not even a little bit?

Being a guy and having witnessed some brutal "guy type" violence, I think that any time you promote violence upon another person you are crazy.

Self defense excluded-I have heard that stabbing/beating the crap outta people to the point of death is really personal.

P.S. You cannot take away the 'crazy' defense from anyone. How many spouses kill each other then claim temp insanity?

**Medusa** · 06-01-2008, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

Not even a little bit?

Being a guy and having witnessed some brutal "guy type" violence, I think that any time you promote violence upon another person you are crazy.

I think it means you're violent, not crazy.

Self defense excluded-I have heard that stabbing/beating the crap outta people to the point of death is really personal.

Personal, yes. Crazy, no.

P.S. You cannot take away the 'crazy' defense from anyone. How many spouses kill each other then claim temp insanity?

The temporary insanity plea doesn't fly w/me. So a person has never had a moment of temporary insanity before or after the murder?

Understand that I'm not unsympathetic to those who truly are mentally ill. I'm talking about the ones who, for whatever reason, became violent and then later claimed mental illness or temporary insanity. Of course, not being a psychologist, I'll accept that I could be wrong. But this is my opinion.

**Medusa** · 06-01-2008, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by RICHARD

Not even a little bit?

Being a guy and having witnessed some brutal "guy type" violence, I think that any time you promote violence upon another person you are crazy.

Self defense excluded-I have heard that stabbing/beating the crap outta people to the point of death is really personal.

P.S. You cannot take away the 'crazy' defense from anyone. How many spouses kill each other then claim temp insanity?

I think that any time you promote violence upon another person, that makes you violent, not crazy. Beating/stabbing someone to the point of death is really personal, yes. Crazy, no. The temporary insanity plea doesn't fly w/me. So a person has never had a moment of temporary insanity before or after the murder? Sorry, not buying it.

Understand that I'm not unsympathetic to those who truly are mentally ill. I'm talking about the ones who, for whatever reason, became violent and then later claimed mental illness or temporary insanity. Those pleas are as lame as the twinkie defense. Of course, not being a psychologist, I'll accept that I could be wrong. But this is my opinion. Were those teenage girls who beat the snot out of that other girl crazy? It was personal among all of them, sure. But they weren't crazy. They were young girls who not only felt that violence was the solution to their problem, they video taped it. It could very easily have gotten out of hand and, if so, they would be facing murder charges today. Obviously, that case isn't as serious as this murder/suicide case. This guy had to be mentally ill, especially if he had never displayed prior violent tendencies .

The cop who murdered Jesse Davis here in Canton, OH is a prime example. (Sorry, his name escapes me at the moment.) He was a cop, so he knew the law and, because he didn't want to pay child support for yet another baby (his admission), he killed his girlfriend. Crazy? Crazy like a fox maybe. But not crazy enough because he got life in prison. I know how you feel about Drew Peterson because I read one of your other posts. Is he crazy? No, it hasn't been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that he killed his wife or his ex-wife but if it is proven and/or he admits to it, does that make him crazy?

**phesina** · 06-01-2008, 06:59 PM

How utterly tragic. My sympathy and prayers for all touched by this.

**Catty1** · 06-02-2008, 09:17 PM

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/calgary/sto...statement.html

**RICHARD** · 06-03-2008, 01:24 PM

I guess my viewpoint is this- physically hurting people is outside the bounds that we try to establish for ourselves and society.

We have laws against it.

So, If you are so detached that you don't realize what you are doing is against the law, you are crazy.

If you know what you are doing is against the law, then kill yourself because you don't want to pay the price or are that thatched in the head. You are crazy.