Thanks for the picture SemiviLady. I had heard that they put the pups in with the livestock to let them mingle and protect.
About the prongs, yes we are definitely on the same wavelength, you just express it better than I do. I don't have the enrgy to go into long descriptive posts so I was very interested in reading yours. I think the only difference is that I have never known an owner trained dog where you seem to be familiar with them. I guess maybe each country has their own methods.

On a side note, I know what you mean about training the Anotolian. I talked one of the neighbors to attend classes and it was a riot at first. Those are STRONG dogs...lol. But, believe it or not, this guy graduated with the rest of the class, But his dog is gifted for protedting his sheep and other livestock.Aloof is a mild word for their attitude...he knows us well and will sometimes greet us with a wagging tail where as on other occasions he will act as if he can look right through us ....lol. Gorgeous dogs although I really don't think my capabilities lie with that breed .....