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    Follow up from Nancy... January 21, 2008

    Ok, if you really don't want to hear negative news, please do not read. I was really hoping for some kind of better update for the reading, but geez.... it just sounds like she's even worse

    This is directly from Nancy:
    first, i want to say that i remember you and ally very well because of the situation. if i remember, the owners live across the world and were moving and you offered to take ally for a short amount of time. at the time, i had the feeling they were never taking her back and i am sorry that that was correct.

    i remember ally as being nasty nasty nasty. she is one of the nastiest cats i have ever read. she feels exactly the same and no better.

    she has a very deep rooted anger. i am not sure if she came this way into the world (it feels like she has) or if this has developed over time(i feel she came this way).

    sometimes, when things are this bad i have suggested medication. i do not see medication touching this. is is very very deep rooted. might put her in a stupor for awhile but the anger is still there.

    i feel as though she hates everyone. an evil hatred. as i told you before i would not have this cat in my house. she is poison to your other animals and to you and the energy in the house.

    i do not say these things lightly. i run a boxer rescue, have 8 pets and work with animals daily. this is a cat that would be better off put to sleep. i do not just mean that you and your cats would be better off but SHE would be better off. it is hard to go through the days with such deep rooted hatred.
    you would not be doing a bad thing. this would be the only way she can find some peace AND the others (including yourself) can find some peace.

    animal rescue is not just about saving animals, it is also about not sacrificing others as well. i have learned this lesson the hard way.

    she is not adoptable. she is angry, unhappy and vicious. she is not workable.

    i really think you need to think long and hard about this. like i said, i do not take this lightly and have maybe said this two or three times to clients out of hundreds and hundreds.

    this really is not as hard as a decision as you might think if you look at it openly and from all angles.

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    This makes me cry - poor Ally. Nancy has seemed to be spot on with her other readings, so is most likely correct this time.

    Perhaps it would be kinder, for Ally, to go to The Bridge and be happy finally?

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    {{{{{HUGS}}}}}}

    I'm so sorry Jenn.

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    What a sad situation. For Ally, for Jenn, for her other animals.

    ((((hugs)))) to Jenn.
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    I'm sorry to hear this but can't say I'm surprised.
    I've thought this for a long time.
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    Hi Jenn, Wow, that was hard to read. I'm definitely a believer in the possibility of people being able to do these readings and have used Dr. Monica Diederich a few times but have never used Nancy. I know from reading other posts that Nancy is well respected. Do you think a second reading from someone else could be an option? Dr. Monica has a website and can do it all by email. I think it's 65.00. I know that is alot of money but it could be one last option. I'm not saying that she would come up with a different reading than Nancy, but perhaps some added information that might provide a final clue or possibility.
    Also, I'm hoping that despite the reading you just got, that you'll give the meds a try and see if a miracle happens. But I know your plate is really full right now with all of your rescues and with the Woodster on his way so this is more than one person can or should have to take. I'm just so sad for Ally and you. It's hard.

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    While I can understand how difficult it is to live with Ally I have to say that I feel irritated- to put it mildly- by someone who attributes to a cat characteristics like "nastiness" and "evil hatred".

    I am absolutely convinced that I would attribute these words to very few humans in the world and definitely not to an animal. It is an anthropomorphism of the worst kind.

    Frankly: if you feel overwhelmed by this poor cat that has been sent over the world like a parcel, has lost all her life several times and is like most cats not happy with living in a big group then bring her to a shelter- even if the risk is there that she may be euthanized. But do not take this b...s...(edited for cussing but still felt exactly that way) reading as a rationalization for it.

    People who know me here for years will know that never in all my ten thousand posts I was using words like in that last phrase. I rather will not speak. But to kill Ally for her being evil- that is medieval! And if that should happen on this board while I just stand by I could no longer look in the mirror.
    Last edited by Barbara; 01-22-2008 at 05:27 AM. Reason: Cussing

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    I have used Nancy to read my boys. She's spot on accurate on so many levels. She didn't say one thing to me tat was incorrect.

    That being said - Jenn, you have my full support whatever you do. Remember the pm I sent you awhile back. 100% support.

    I'm sorry to say, but I'd have probably euthanized Ally months ago. You've given her a lot longer than I have. I'd have probably been alright after the 1st attack, but once she did it again, with such viciousness and vindictiveness, she'd have either been pts or sent somewhere else.

    Hugs to you in your very hard decision,
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    Wow, this brings tears to my eyes as well. And I'm pretty skeptical about these readings in the first place. But having talked to Jennie and knowing how Ally is..... However, I am not sure Jennie can bring herself to make this decision. Maybe Barbara is right in just taking her to a shelter. Then the decision is out of your hands. But I know you will always think about her.
    Perhaps the other suggestions would be an option as well. Another reading or the Prozac. But I know with another animal coming into the family this will really stretch the finances.
    Jennie, I am so sorry. You know how to reach me.... ((hugs)).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barbara
    While I can understand how difficult it is to live with Ally I have to say that I feel irritated- to put it mildly- by someone who attributes to a cat characteristics like "nastiness" and "evil hatred".

    I am absolutely convinced that I would attribute these words to very few humans in the world and definitely not to an animal. It is an anthropomorphism of the worst kind.
    I must say that I'm in agreement w/this statement. That isn't to say that what you're experiencing isn't heart wrenching. I know that it is. If you haven't tried Prozac yet, you might want to give it a whirl. And everyone on PT knows my good experience w/Clomicalm. It does NOT drug my cats in any way and does not change their personalities for the worse. For whatever reason/s, if those options are not available to you, you may have to help Ally to the bridge.

    Just one more thought: years ago I wanted to rescue dogs as well as cats. I took in a dog that showed up on my doorstep on Thanksgiving Day. She was absolutely beautiful and I thought that she would be easy to place. Well, I was wrong. She attacked me twice, once to the point where I had to run to my car and lock myself in, honk the horn til my son heard it and he came and rescued me from her. She was on the hood of my car, growling at me through the windshield, showing me every tooth in her mouth and her eyes were wild. Later that evening, she put her head in my lap as though nothing had occurred earlier, only to attack me again in a split second, this time grabbing hold of my ear. I worried that she would attack my friends or worse, their small children, so I called my vet w/my concerns. He examined her and showed me her teeth, which were pitted. He said that pitted teeth can possibly be caused by distemper and, if a dog lives through it, it can make them crazy, sort of schizophrenic. He said "This dog is miserable, Mary, and the kindest thing you can do is to put her to sleep." I did not want to do that but once he told me that she was miserable, that was enough for me.

    The reason I mention this is because Ally may have some disease or disorder causing her to behave in such a manner that she frightens you as she does. If this is the case, perhaps the kindest thing that you can do for her is to help her find peace by escorting her to the Bridge. I apologize if it appears that I was trying to hijack your thread. That truly wasn't my intention. But I, too, do not believe that a cat or any animal is evil. Those are traits that, in my humble opinion, should be reserved for the human species and sparingly at that.

    Bless you for trying your best w/Ally and for having the guts to stick it out this long. Whatever you decide, we're w/ya.
    Blessings,
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    Oh no, I'm really really sorry to read this!! That's devastating news, even if it's not really "news" as Nancy said something like that before. Would be easier if Ally had revealed to Nancy whether she wants to live, or be delivered from her pain, and her hatred.

    I feel so sad for Ally's poor little soul, because there must have been a reason why she is like that. And I feel bad for you as you're the one who has to deal with the situation.

    I'm looking at my girls and see two lovable and sweet little souls, and I wonder what's necessary to destroy a kitty soul like the way Ally's was destroyed. (Strange that Nancy says she came like this into this world, maybe it's some kind of karma?)

    OMG, I really wouldn't want to make this decision now...

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    I am not someone who would ever turn to Nancy and I would never, ever base any decision on what she says - although I know many of you feel very differently. That out of the way, I'm wondering if what Jennie said earlier about Ally having a mental disorder is true. I think this is possible, and if it is then she is in constant mental anguish - just as you see with people who are, let's say, schizophrenic. I've had a couple of cats who have shown all the symptoms of a mental disorder and they were never content for more than brief periods and certainly never happy. You have taken on the responsibilities of Ally's owner, I'm afraid, Jennie, and you may have to be the one to most truly put Ally out of her constant misery.

    Two things. I have had good luck with Prozac, it's made a huge difference to my Taranis and she enjoys her life much more now, and she's not at all "out of it". (She's not one of the ones I mentioned above.) If you want one more really strong effort to get a handle on this, go to the vet and get her on Prozac. Clomicalm will dope her up, Prozac will rewire her to some degree.

    The other is this. Have you ever seen Ally looking content? Does she ever lie about looking relaxed? Does she ever play? Is there anything in her life now that would make her want to go on living, if she was able to think that way?

    Like everyone else here, I would hate to be in your shoes.

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    I would not base a decision on one person's reading, any more than I would have surgery on one doc's recomendation.

    That said, I am still hoping for Ally to find a home where she can be an only cat. She was pretty happy in her original home until the second cat was introduced, and it all went downhill from there.

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    I like Nancy... I think she is very good.. BUT I just wanted to add...

    I had a reading from her about one of my "vicious kitties"... I was told the same thing, never going to change, evil, no way she will change, put her to sleep.
    I opted not too, and within 3 months of the reading, well, my cat is happy, healthy and COMPLETELY the sweetest cat on the planet. While I do believe that Nancy has great insight into animals AND their feelings, I just want to point out, that sometimes, they can be wrong.... In this case, she was....


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    Quote Originally Posted by kt_luvs_kitties
    I like Nancy... I think she is very good.. BUT I just wanted to add...

    I had a reading from her about one of my "vicious kitties"... I was told the same thing, never going to change, evil, no way she will change, put her to sleep.
    I opted not too, and within 3 months of the reading, well, my cat is happy, healthy and COMPLETELY the sweetest cat on the planet. While I do believe that Nancy has great insight into animals AND their feelings, I just want to point out, that sometimes, they can be wrong.... In this case, she was....
    I'm so glad you wrote this. It is a very important addition to this thread and shines a hopeful light where is it is very much needed. Thank you.

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