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    Her supporters are screaming about the lack of security.........well, then she shouldn't have been standing in the open sunroof of an unarmored vehicle. Regardless of how lax the security provisions were, common sense has to play a part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human
    Her supporters are screaming about the lack of security.........well, then she shouldn't have been standing in the open sunroof of an unarmored vehicle. Regardless of how lax the security provisions were, common sense has to play a part.
    Wow. Perhaps she should never have left her home. Or perhaps she should not have returned to Pakistan.

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    It's just a shame what happened. I can't say that I didn't see it coming, because face it, a woman in a Muslim country being outspoken and saying her opinions and views... it was kind of waiting for the other shoe to drop to see what was going to happen.

    I don't think for one minute it was Al Quaeda or Taliban... unless the president paid a Talibani to kill her. Gov't is behind it. 100%.

    She was a force to be reckoned with, and that was intimidating to them, and if she had won as a president, how humiliating would that have been for the president now... I believe he had her killed.

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    In her fathers death cell she promised him she would continue his legacy, I truly believe she felt obligated to do that. She also would have to come close to the people to keep their support and she knew the risks.

    As far as her not being an angel are you trying to say she deserved this?
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    I'm about as surprised about this as I am when I get up and the sun rises.

    I'm not saying she deserved this, what I'm saying is that her family is far from clean, and has made many, many enemies, among them the ISI. Their government is not the monolithic block that western countries have. it is fragmented, with each part controlling their portion, with no one truly in complete control.

    ES, I'm not saying she should have never gone back, what I'm saying is that the VIP being protected has to take some resposibility for their own protection. She should have arranged for a more secure means of transport for herself, especially in light of the bombing that greeted her when she returned to the country. No one is truly secure at any time, but reasonable measures can be taken.
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    Hadnt she ever heard of the pope mobile???
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    Quote Originally Posted by critter crazy
    Hadnt she ever heard of the pope mobile???

    Is that a cell phone service?

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    Notice the back pedal about her cause of death.

    The latch was a nice feint to keep the Mussharaf regime from being blamed-
    The latch killed her, not lack of security.

    THat is what makes the western countries different from any others.
    The gov't. always takes the steps of offering any dignitaries security because of the "Not on our watch/NIMBY" rules. You don't want anyone to get axed in your front yard.

    I believe that Mussharaf invited Bhutto back with the intention of having her killed. She shows up and gets axed before the elections...Perfect solution?

    Lock down the Pakis again with martial law and cancel the elections...it didn't happen but?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human
    I'm about as surprised about this as I am when I get up and the sun rises.

    I'm not saying she deserved this, what I'm saying is that her family is far from clean, and has made many, many enemies, among them the ISI. Their government is not the monolithic block that western countries have. it is fragmented, with each part controlling their portion, with no one truly in complete control.

    ES, I'm not saying she should have never gone back, what I'm saying is that the VIP being protected has to take some resposibility for their own protection. She should have arranged for a more secure means of transport for herself, especially in light of the bombing that greeted her when she returned to the country. No one is truly secure at any time, but reasonable measures can be taken.
    And it was her responsibility that there were no police around too I suppose....

    She could have had her home hidden from Google, lived in an underground bunker, or avoided any places where those who opposed her might lurk. There are certainly other politicans who do these things.

    But find me a politician who isn't hated. Hatred of politicians, crocked political families and nut cases who will sacrifice themselves are just as likely as your sun is to rise.

    I just find your response to this...well callous... among other things. But apparently you know more about the situation and how she should have handled it than she did.

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    I have read that she cancelled an earlier rally at the government's insistence, as security was a concern.

    (And how do you know your security there is not partisan or paid-off?)

    Also, I did initially read that she stood up to wave thru the sunroof and got shot. The government's latest version of that is that she DID stand up in the sunroof, ducked so the bullets missed - but that the force of the suicide blast slammed her skull against the sunroof lever, fracturing her skull (or possibly causing the neck vertebra injury reported by the surgeon.)

    She knew the risks. And yes, LH, there are few clean hands in the eastern political system, and even in the West. She knew the risks.

    Politics aside, I feed sad that a brilliant, beautiful and brave woman, mother of 3, has died so young. That doesn't have to do with whether she was clean.

    It's just sad for Pakistan all around...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady's Human
    Her supporters are screaming about the lack of security.........well, then she shouldn't have been standing in the open sunroof of an unarmored vehicle. Regardless of how lax the security provisions were, common sense has to play a part.
    Could the same thing be said for JFK, Malcolm X, perhaps Martin Luther King? I'm sure he knew the risks of what he was doing with his ideas in that period of history, but did it anyway because it was what he believed was right.

    I am really shocked at her death. Corrupt or not, she didn't deserve a death like that. And whilst Al Quaeda may not be to blame for this one, sure as eggs are eggs they're going to find it a lot easier to operate in a panic-stricken, angry, unrestful nation.

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    Could the same thing be said for JFK?
    Not really. Had there been any active, credible threats against JFK the Secret Service would have forced him to ride in an enclosed limo, as opposed to allowing him to ride in a convertible.

    And whilst Al Quaeda may not be to blame for this one, sure as eggs are eggs they're going to find it a lot easier to operate in a panic-stricken, angry, unrestful nation.
    In all actuality, this makes no difference for AQ, as the area they operate in is under the control of no one. If you look at the borders in that area of the world on most maps, they are dotted lines. The border areas are under the control of mountain tribes who haven't been under anyone's control for centuries. Besides, angry and unrestful (restless?) describes Pakistan's entire history, not just the past few years. Panic stricken? Probably not in the least. Assassination is business as usual for Pakistan. Again, just look at their history.
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