Celeste Issue

**Giselle** · 12-17-2007, 04:47 PM

Actually, I would interfere less

Dogs are soooo good at communicating with each other; human interference is usually more burdensome than it is helpful. If you've ever watched certain puppies play, it can get VERY rough (dragging at the scruff, biting legs, pushing, 'punching', etc.). However, as soon as one puppy yelps, the playing will stop immediately - always. If not, then you need to step in. However, it sounds like Celeste knows this since you mentioned that she'll stop when the other dog yelps so I really wouldn't worry about it.

If there is a large age difference, like a 2 year old vs. an 8 year old, and your 8-year-old is starting to feel a little harassed, just separate them. Some elder dogs won't tolerate puppies and it's just best to physically separate them rather than put them together and hope Puppy "learns".

Good luck!

ETA: Some dogs will never like each other. Lucky doesn't like Giselle or Ivy, but it doesn't bother me. Ivy and Giselle love each other, so all is not lost. It's okay if Falise doesn't like Celeste. Dogs just have individual personalities and likes and dislikes

**Crikit** · 12-17-2007, 05:21 PM

I acutally work in a doggy daycare here in Calgary. Ours however is a different setup then most as well choose to leave the dogs alone. What we do is seperate them into play groups based on age, size, and play style and let them have a good time with minimal human interference. We've found that if the humans step in to the room to much (which yes we do have to do every now and then just to calm them down if they get to rowdy or to take the odd dog or two out) that they start looking to the people for cues how to behave.

For the most part we've found that when we leave the dogs alone they start to pick up the k9 body languge, at my work we've even had dogs who were under socialized who didn't know the proper languge. What we did with them was to put them in a seperate room with one or two really good dogs that have excellent communications skills (usually the ones that have grown up at the daycare) and let them have some solo time with them while we watch outside the door then gradually increase the number of dogs until they can be in with the main packs.

In other words the only time I would interfere would be if they were on the verge of bodily harm, k9 communication is the type of thing that the dogs have to pick up on their own, but it wouldn't hurt for her to go to doggy daycare where should would have a chance to get to meet different dogs maybe even some who have the same type of play style as her.

**Animalhouse26** · 12-17-2007, 07:27 PM

Thanks for the Advice. I got Celeste for the MAIN Reason to give someone for Falise to Play with. If she isn't going to play with her.. I will be sad!

haha She never yelps at her.. just growls, and snaps. There is No Playing with those two .. at all. :-/ tyson does a little bit, but that is it. Kay and I took her and Tyson to the Doggy park tonight, and there was a HUGE German shepard playing with Ty, and there was this Mix Blk dog playing with Celeste.. Growling*playful* from the other dog, and Lots of Play bows.. Celeste LOVED IT! Kiara,kays dog corrected her pretty Nicely when we were there, and she just kinda stayed clear. So, I guess I will just let things happen. I just don't want falise to hate her. Falise loves to play.. But for some reason Dogs that are OVER playful, annoy her.. :-(

**Crikit** · 12-17-2007, 08:50 PM

The thing with bringing a new dog into the house is that it can take some time for them to adjust to each and learn to live in harmony. When I brought Beaker home he had already spent a week with Smudge outside of the house so got along fine with him but Winter and Tama hated him and wouldn't have anything to do with him for the first week or so. Now however Tama and Beaker are best friends and can even be kenneled together and Winter plays great with him... Perhaps the two of them just need to get used to being around each other and find a play style that suits the two of them. At work we have quite a few dogs that are in the same family play great with each other but end up being in different play rooms because of a difference in play styles.

**Seravieve** · 12-17-2007, 09:06 PM

This sounds EXACTLY like my three. Zeke is the oldest.. and has been with J the longest. Then Bunny, and then Eli. Bunny and Eli LOVE each other... I mean LOVE each other.. we find them making out sometimes...

But Zeke just tolerates Eli. They dont play at all. They pretty much ignore each other. Zeke has snapped and went after E several times. We always step in and roll them and all that.. and then we're good for another month or so. Eli and Bunny love to play.. and Eli plays rough.. I have always thought for the same reasons as you said, not much socialization as a young puppy, taken away from mom early (he was a sickly puppy), etc... So I think he plays rougher than he should and he steps all over us and the other two, like he doesnt know better. But Bunny will take it all in and she yips when she's had enough. Or she will sit down and put both paws on his neck (resembles a hug) and starts licking his face. That usually ends it as well.

Best advice I can give... is to just watch them. We dont trust the three alone together.. B and E are crated together (large crate, dont worry) and Z is by himself. When we're home, we watch them constantly. Zeke has warning signs before he snaps. Eyes change, Ears perk up, tail goes straight up and still... Im sure it also has to do with the puppy stage... Zeke is 5/6ish and Bunny is 3/4ish and Eli is just over 1 year old.. so theres a big difference from Z and E, and I think that has a lot to do with it.

Good luck! Im sure Falise will learn to accept Celeste and the fact that she is there. Zeke has done so with Eli.. and we got him in May I believe.

**bckrazy** · 12-17-2007, 10:15 PM

Falise sounds a lot like Gonzo. He does not tolerate dogs jumping all over him, and he will let them know! He has never hurt another dog, he just turns into a growly, snarky, brat.

When I first got Fozzie... Gonzo growled at him all the time. If he walked by, Gonzo would growl. At first, I interfered all the time. But that didn't work at all. So I allowed them to work it out themselves, and they are best buddies now!

My advice is to let Falise teach Celeste what she expects of her. Of course, interfere if it's escalating, but it probably won't. Falise is just trying to teach the pup some manners, it sounds like... which is NOT a bad thing! =) It could take a few weeks, or longer, but they will adjust to each other.