What is YOUR definition of a BYB?

[Giselle]

So how does she prove her dogs? As breeders and dog lovers/owners, we become "kennel blind". We become used to our dogs' faults and do not see the glaring faults that may exist beyond our loving gaze.

So, how does she prove her dogs, then? How can she differentiate between breeding quality dogs and pet quality dogs? If she doesn't show in the field or the ring, how can she possibly prove her dogs and choose which dogs will contribute most to the breed? Showing or working your dog in any venue is extremely important for the pure simple fact that it sets apart breeding-quality dogs from companion-quality dogs. If she doesn't show in any venue, how can she responsibly breed the best?

[Kirbys Mom]

can the example of my thread be left alone. my thread turned from a friendly I need help to lets bash the poor girl. Everyone has there opinion but no one like being told there a BYB when there not, and i didnt even geta sorry and i got its al my fault and im wrong and u shouldnt been in that group and this and that. enough please

[buttercup132]

can the example of my thread be left alone. my thread turned from a friendly I need help to lets bash the poor girl. Everyone has there opinion but no one like being told there a BYB when there not, and i didnt even geta sorry and i got its al my fault and im wrong and u shouldnt been in that group and this and that. enough please

Um no? It's not like I'm saying to pick on you I'm saying after that thread it got me thinking that other people have different veiws on what a BYB means to them.

Also can you please refrain from using msn spelling and grammar, it makes it really hard to understand what your trying to say.

[Kirbys Mom]

Um no? It's not like I'm saying to pick on you I'm saying after that thread it got me thinking that other people have different veiws on what a BYB means to them.

Also can you please refrain from using msn spelling and grammar, it makes it really hard to understand what your trying to say.

um...no...my grammar is no concern of urs. But still u guys jumped my thread yesterday and i was ready to leave pt for good. you and the rest of the bashes need to stop fighting with harmless ppl who love there pets. I dont bug u about ur pets and how u raise them. if u want to get some thing done in the world about the pet population and puppy mills get out there and do something dont stay at home and sit on ur comp. im done wit u and ur bashin friends. peace out

[Catlady711]

A MUST read for every pet owner out there, or anyone even thinking of owning a pet. The article uses cats in it's example, but it just as easily applies to dogs as well.


http://www.pawsoftulsa.org/spaytosave/just1litter.htm

[3muttsandaboston]

I believe anyone who doesn't show or health test is a byb.

My summer school teacher this summer was my definition of a good breeder. She breeds Prembroke welsh corgis. She lives with her elderly father who can help. She travels around the country showing, doing agility, obedience, conformation, tracking and herding with them. She also judges many akc events. She had a litter while I was in her class and she would always talk about them, she had homes lined up for them before they were even born if one was sick she didn't even resist taking them to the vet. One morning two of her females got in a fight and she had to go to the vet before she came to school and didn't even flinch coming to school with blood and hair on her.

[ScottieMommy]

So how does she prove her dogs? As breeders and dog lovers/owners, we become "kennel blind". We become used to our dogs' faults and do not see the glaring faults that may exist beyond our loving gaze.

So, how does she prove her dogs, then? How can she differentiate between breeding quality dogs and pet quality dogs? If she doesn't show in the field or the ring, how can she possibly prove her dogs and choose which dogs will contribute most to the breed? Showing or working your dog in any venue is extremely important for the pure simple fact that it sets apart breeding-quality dogs from companion-quality dogs. If she doesn't show in any venue, how can she responsibly breed the best?

I guess she could hire someone to show for her, i have not seen her in over 1 year, i would not be surprised if she already did. My first post was my opinion about BYB'S there are the good and bad ones to me, period. NOT everyone can afford a pet from a breeder, and some BYB'S arent as bad as others. And what if the shelter rejects you as well? Then where do you go for a dog? The pet store? HELL NO, i would never buy from a pet store tho Nena came from there i never actually went in and bought her. I myself dont enter pet stores who sell puppies, period. BYB'S is another way you can get a dog instead of going to the pet store and i am sure is 100% then doing there. Everyone has different opinions.

[bckrazy]

NOT everyone can afford a pet from a breeder, and some BYB'S arent as bad as others.

Calling one BYB okay, and one BYB villainous, is just kind of pointless to me. Neither should be supported, ever. Unless one's goal is to feed the huge overpopulation issue in this country. If that's the case... go for it!

For those who cannot afford a dog from a reputable breeder - rescue dogs usually cost under $100 to adopt, spayed/neutered and vaccinated. Which basically means the dogs are free, you're just paying for vetting.

I have adopted 2 dogs, both of which took amazingly little effort! I actually wanted to give them MORE personal information, and talk to them MORE than they required. If shelters are repeatedly rejecting you, you should probably consider if you have the ability to care for a dog. Seriously. D: It drives me insaaane when people whine about rescues/shelters being unfair, or not having the dog they want, or having a long process. I'm sure there are some lame rescues out there. But, you know, there are only millions of dogs to choose from in this country! If you do not want to go through a few days of screening to adopt a dog, you probably don't need to be getting into a 10-15 year commitment.

[ScottieMommy]

Calling one BYB okay, and one BYB villainous, is just kind of pointless to me. Neither should be supported, ever. Unless one's goal is to feed the huge overpopulation issue in this country. If that's the case... go for it!

For those who cannot afford a dog from a reputable breeder - rescue dogs usually cost under $100 to adopt, spayed/neutered and vaccinated. Which basically means the dogs are free, you're just paying for vetting.

I have adopted 2 dogs, both of which took amazingly little effort! I actually wanted to give them MORE personal information, and talk to them MORE than they required. If shelters are repeatedly rejecting you, you should probably consider if you have the ability to care for a dog. Seriously. D: It drives me insaaane when people whine about rescues/shelters being unfair, or not having the dog they want, or having a long process. I'm sure there are some lame rescues out there. But, you know, there are only millions of dogs to choose from in this country! If you do not want to go through a few days of screening to adopt a dog, you probably don't need to be getting into a 10-15 year commitment.

Many dog lovers have tried to adopt and just because the rent, they smoke (YES) they got rejected, and where in the world do they go for dogs? They wont circle the world looking at more shelters because some dont even adopt out if they are not in the samy city/state. Shelters are really strick and i hate it when the dog's live in on the line. Just because you rent or smoke does NOT mean you dont love dogs, and shelters should know better than to judge someone like that, is their big heart and love that counts. If they dint want the dog, they would not spend their time filling out an app and having their homes looked at (some) So where do they get their dog?

[bckrazy]

If they dint want the dog, they would not spend their time filling out an app and having their homes looked at (some) So where do they get their dog?

I cannot begin to count the number of people I know, who were basically handed a dog from a shelter/rescue, who should NEVER have been given the responsibility of a dog's life.

I also know of zero shelters that do home checks, zero. If you rent... you should have permission from your landlord before adopting. And there is always a box to check if your rent or own, and you just write down your landlord's number. whoopideedo!

Personally, I would rather not own a dog, than resort to a BYB who doesn't even care enough to screen your home. A breeder who doesn't care about where their puppies are going, probably also doesn't give a crap about the quality of the puppies they produce. Common sense, therefore, says that those puppies are not going to be healthy.

If a shelter won't approve you, a half-way decent breeder sure as heck won't. I think the problem here is so many people in this society want what they want, right NOW. They aren't willing to look around, it's way easier to whip out a newspaper and pick up a BYB puppy with no obligations or questioning involved. I know some people who do this are actually good owners, but most of them, simply are not. They want instant results, and when that puppy won't stop peeing on the carpet or when that puppy isn't tiny & cute, it ends up in a shelter. Hence the reason that nearly 50% of puppies go through the shelter system before age 2.

[ScottieMommy]

I cannot begin to count the number of people I know, who were basically handed a dog from a shelter/rescue, who should NEVER have been given the responsibility of a dog's life.

I also know of zero shelters that do home checks, zero. If you rent... you should have permission from your landlord before adopting. And there is always a box to check if your rent or own, and you just write down your landlord's number. whoopideedo!

Personally, I would rather not own a dog, than resort to a BYB who doesn't even care enough to screen your home. A breeder who doesn't care about where their puppies are going, probably also doesn't give a crap about the quality of the puppies they produce. Common sense, therefore, says that those puppies are not going to be healthy.

If a shelter won't approve you, a half-way decent breeder sure as heck won't. I think the problem here is so many people in this society want what they want, right NOW. They aren't willing to look around, it's way easier to whip out a newspaper and pick up a BYB puppy with no obligations or questioning involved. I know some people who do this are actually good owners, but most of them, simply are not. They want instant results, and when that puppy won't stop peeing on the carpet or when that puppy isn't tiny & cute, it ends up in a shelter. Hence the reason that nearly 50% of puppies go through the shelter system before age 2.

If you actually lived in the city i live you would know how shelters will reject you. And NOT only me but i have asked million of people who could NOT adopt. And NO if i want a dog i have the right to get a dog actually. I wont just NOT get one because the shelter rejected me, thats wrong. There are MANY people out there like the "Beagle lady" i would get a dog from instead of NOT having one. Everyone deserves the love from a wonderful companion, just because you cant adopt does not mean you stop there.

[bckrazy]

What if that BYB puppy ends up with parvo? Or with a genetic health issue, like hip dysplasia, before they're even 1 year old? You have no contract to guarantee your puppy's health. You have nothing. You're going to be shelling out $1000's, instead of paying the extra few hundred dollars for a well-bred puppy. I know starving college kids who saved up to buy from a reputable breeder, for over a year. It isn't impossible, for pretty much anyone.

You have talked to millions of people? Wow. That's pretty intense.

I'm not saying you cannot support a BYB. You can do whatever you want to do. But, I would rather be dog-less than giving money to people who are responsible for the deaths of millions of dogs, and that's just me.

And, I completely disagree with your last statement. NOT everyone deserves the love of a dog... because NOT everyone has the time/commitment/money/responsibility to own a dog. Which is exactly why shelters and rescues try to screen homes as best they can; they don't want to get that dog back in 6 months, and repeat the cycle. It is not fair, to the dogs.