What is YOUR definition of a BYB?

[buttercup132]

After the recent Chi thread I've seen some people have different meanings for BYB.

Personally I classify anyone who doesn't breed to better the breed a BYB.

[critter crazy]

I would classify it as ayone out to make money!

[Lori Jordan]

I agree with what critter crazy has said,Also a byb is someone who also owns 10 different breeds of small dogs,There is a lady out about 20 minutes away from me.

Also here in Canada there is a classified site called Kijiji,Most people on there are either"designer Breeds" or the Yorkie poo's my blood boils when i see names like that.

People get this idea that there going to be making so much money breeding,In reality you dont!

I also find it rediculous that people slap two different breeds together and try to sell them for 1500,00????It makes me sick to my stomach!

All they are doing is putting 2 dogs together and with all the testing that needs to be done on different breeds how long is the dog going to live?

[Kfamr]

Anyone who breeds their pet dogs - meaning the dogs aren't health certified, registered, true epitome of their breed, etc.

[Hellow]

I would also classify it as a person who is out to make money by breeding, which is a practical impossibility, considering all the costs(EX: Food, vet, shelter, exc.) plus the time took to care for the puppies and mother and father plus the time took to care for other things. I also consider them as a person who doesn't have their dogs registered with a reputable kennel club. I would also classify them as a person who lets their dogs breed uncontrollably then having no place for them to go, then they end up in a pound or in AC, or dead.

[Flatcoatluver]

I agree with what critter crazy has said,Also a byb is someone who also owns 10 different breeds of small dogs,There is a lady out about 20 minutes away frrom me.

Funny, I would classify that as a puppy mill.

To me a byb is a breeder who doesn't health test there dogs (example. Hips, eyes, thyroid, elbows, and etc) also someone who doesn't show there dogs, so they don't know if there standard, or if someone doesn't field test the sporting breeds, herding with the herding breeds.

Someone who does it for the money, there dog's could be parents, because there dog's make great pets, there dogs are cute, or they want double of there dogs.

Someone in the chi thread said they don't care about there dogs, they are only in it for the money and that's what makes a BYB. I disagree with that completely. I know many byb's who do it for the experience of there children, but also care about there dogs deeply, they are just ignorant about the right way to breed.

I work at a dog kennel and train dogs, I hear all the "excuses" in the book of why they should breed.

[buttercup132]

Also here in Canada there is a classified site called Kijiji,Most people on there are either"designer Breeds" or the Yorkie poo's my blood boils when i see names like that.

I HATE that site (but I always look there). There is so many designer breeds and dogs for stud that are mixed. Their reasons for breeding is "Oh Rex wants to get his groove on" "Missy is looking for a man to call her own" "Oh my dog has a great temperment!"

Also the people who advertise for Christmas puppies. I'm pretty sure good breeders don't breed around that time anyways because they know that alot of people just want them for presents. There are shelters too that won't adopt out on near Christmas.

[pitc9]

Personally I classify anyone who doesn't breed to better the breed a BYB.

I agree 1000%!!

[lvpets2002]

BackYardBuddies = Heck I am ClueLess

[buttercup132]

BackYardBuddies = Heck I am ClueLess

Backyard breeders

[Ginger's Mom]

Personally I classify anyone who doesn't breed to better the breed a BYB.

Initially I was going to second (or third) this, but then I read the below one and liked the way it was worded a little better.

To me a byb is a breeder who doesn't health test there dogs (example. Hips, eyes, thyroid, elbows, and etc) also someone who doesn't show there dogs, so they don't know if there standard, or if someone doesn't field test the sporting breeds, herding with the herding breeds.

Someone who does it for the money, there dog's could be parents, because there dog's make great pets, there dogs are cute, or they want double of there dogs

Although my quick easy answer would be the same as buttercup's, it doesn't say enough about what is meant by "better the breed." A Backyard Breeder is anyone who does not do everything necessary to make sure through proper temperment testing, physical testing and comparing the traits of the two dogs to be mated to attempt as best they can to ensure that the puppies will grow into physically and mentally sound dogs that can behave in a manner that the particular breed was meant to behave (be it hunting, protecting, or just being a companion animal).

[Freedom]

I don’t think a BYB needs to have lots of dogs. They can have just one breeding pair.

BYB’s do not enter their dogs in conformation. They are not involved in the breed club, either. They do not know the breed lines of the parents. They do not have genetic or health testing done on the parents; they have no health clearances for the parents. They are not interested in scientific breeding, and will breed the same bitch and dog repeatedly. They usually own both parents. A BYB may have a completely unplanned litter; and will breed a bitch more times than is healthy, and more often than is healthy.

The parent dogs have little or no training and get minimal exercise. The parent dogs may not be socialized.

The person has selected a dog breed which is “popular,” as sales are an important part of the operation.

The BYB does not matches buyers to puppies. A BYB will let the person pick the one that is “cutest.” After all, they are “just pets,” not show dogs.

There are loads of sites which set out the characteristics of BYBs. And of puppy mills.

From http://www.21stcenturycares.org/backyardbreeders.htm:
**Anyone who has a litter for fun, profit or by ‘accident’.
**Anyone who is so uninformed that they think having AKC papers means that their pet is breeding quality. RIDICULOUS!!
**Anyone who advertises their litters in the local paper for sale. (respected breeders only advertise in trade magazines)
**Anyone who thinks that by finding their puppies good homes that they somehow don’t have to play by the rules or take responsibility. MANY WILL STILL ULTIMATELY END UP IN THE POUND AFTER YEARS OF ABUSE OR NEGLECT!!!
**Anyone who thinks they found their litter good homes, simply because everyone that took one, smiled honestly and ‘promised’ to treat them well.. Thus insisting on no background check, no enforceable contract or any type of follow up. A PERFECT RECIPE FOR A SAD LIFE FOR THE POOR PUPPY.
**People may /will provide erroneous information to the potential adopters regarding the required care and treatment necessary for the pet - simply for their own personal gains and claim to know much more than they really do for ego boosts.
**Respectable breeders will have walls adorned with trophies and certificates which represent the numerous championships they’ve acquired over the years.

[binka_nugget]

In short, it's someone who doesn't breed to better the breed.

Now here's my long-winded definition. A backyard breeder is anyone who: breeds for money, wants their children to experience the miracle of life, breeds because their dog is cute, doesn't go through health clearances (hips, eyes, thyroid, elbows, etc), thinks their bitch would make a good mom, yada yada yada.

Responsible breeders breed to better the breed. The dogs don't necessarily have to be shown and have Championships though. For example, drive and working ability is more important than conformation for Malinois, herding instinct is important for working BCs, etc. With that said, responsible breeders will prove that their dogs excel in whatever it is they are breeding for, be it conformation, schutzhund, french ring, herding, tracking, hunting, etc. In addition to proving that their dogs excel in their chosen sport(s), their dogs will also be tested for hips, eyes, elbows, whatever the health problem is in their breed. They only have as many dogs as they are able to properly care for. They focus on quality over quantity. They have contracts stating that dogs must be returned to them if the owner decides they don't want it anymore.

Basically, anyone who breeds and doesn't do the above things, is a BYB in my books.

[Giselle]

Like members before me already stated, a BYB is anybody who does not breed to better the breed. Thus, anybody who does not health test their dogs, does not show their dogs either in conformation or in the field, breeds unacceptable or abnormal varieties ("Imperial Shih Tzus", parti-color poodles [AKC DQ], "Tiny Toy Chihuahuas", etc.), and anybody who breeds for money is a BYB.

Now, there are also irresponsible breeders who are every bit as bad as BYBs. Irresponsible breeders may health test their dogs, they may show every once in a while and have a couple CH's here and there. They may love their dogs dearly, but they are ignorant. I once knew a breeder who, on the outside, seemed like a reputable breeder. However, her dogs began throwing dysplastic pups. Yet, she denied any genetic link and continued to breed her dogs without a second thought.

There should only be one type of breeder: one who strives to produce puppies even better than the parents of the pups. A responsible breeder is one who produces stronger, healthier puppies truer to the standard. Any breeder who does not follow these rules is a BYB/irresponsible breeder.

[ScottieMommy]

I have to come in here and add this. I know a lady who breeds Beagles. She spend over 2 years researching about the breed and learning. She first got a spayed female Beagle puppy. Once the puppy passed away she started looking to breed, she DINT take at breeding right away and she ONLY breeds Beagles NO she does not mix them either. She will health test all her dogs, she will care for them like ANY reputable breeder would do. She lives alone out in the estates and she does this for a passion for Beagles. She does NOT work and lives alone. She owns a lot of land and manages with all. She is over 50 years old, and you should see the condition her dogs are in passed excelence. The sad thing is that she has NO time to show, and does that make her a terrible BYB? She dedicates her life to her dogs, she only has 2 litters per year from different females and she has 3 females and 2 males ALL health tested. She could have more than 6 litters per year if she wanted and NO she only has 2, thats her limit and sometimes none or 1. She NEVER breeds for xmas because she believes pets should never be given as a gift, she does not have a website adverticing her puppies either. She has her own personal vet that comes all the way from Talahasee to give her puppies health certificates plus shots. She lets them go in a spay/neuter contract ONLY. And is sad how she is classified under as a BYB just because she does not show her dogs. Here is something i agree with
BYB is a generalized term that pet people have found handy to use for breeders of other than show quality animals. There certainly are plenty that fit under this term but why not discuss the puppy mills run by people far worse than any BYB. My personal dog is from what folks would call a BYB but she is a true purebred in lineage and is documented. She was also veted immediately and both her parents had been health tested as well. Sure, people other than kennels or show breeders will spend time on forums and ask questions if they want to be informed. I say again, BYB is as generalized a term for folks that don't breed for show etc as player refers to someone that mooches off of others and calls it playing them. Just my humble opinion.
I dont know if you agree or not, but there are good and bad things to everything.
As for puppy mills there is no GOOD thing. Those people are the ones doing wrong to all of us. Having over 50 dogs some dying in cages without them knowing and rotting to death. Those people should be the ones taking the bad name.